From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 13:17:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3E016A420 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3B413C46A for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JUF00K97JLMAVX0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m0ADHjTW059171; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:17:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:17:45 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <90133.1199970620@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-id: <47861AF9.1020608@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 References: <90133.1199970620@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080104) Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:17:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <47861705.2030609@gmail.com>, "Aryeh M. Friedman" > writes: > >>> A lot of our users do this. We have many crucial FreeBSD >>> developers employed at companies which understand that >>> developer support is key to FreeBSDs future. >>> >>> We just need more of that. >> We also need to have better avenues for people who want to >> contribute but do not have the economic means to subsidize there >> work from some large company, gov. agency and/or university... >> i.e. there is no room for independent people to contribute on a >> full time basis... > > We have never required anybody to have employment to participate in > FreeBSD: If you're able and willing, you're welcome. Able is the key point here... ableness is more then just the skill needed it is having enough resources that you will not starve by doing so... I suspect if an honest survey was done of people who do not currently contribute you would find many of them would if they had the time/resources to do so (as I said in the blog I have contributed to many open source projects but also attempting to make a living by running a small software company is not very compatible with that goal unless some middle ground is found) > >> BTW as to the single sentence that would recitify this in the bsd >> license it would be something as simple as: >> >> "Execution of covered work in any form may be conditioned to >> payment fees (if any) and/or performing work in kind detailed at >> http://......". > > No, no, no, NO & NO F**KING WAY! Which part of "(if any)" is not clear... i.e. the licensor is completely free to waive the requirment (i.e. identical to the current license) - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Developer Tools http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhhr5jRvRjGmHRgQRAovFAJ9O9Z3vKLGXzLcye225aK0TlzoBxQCfbdTl vxM/5Z68F/onTrtJ1z3hRd0= =J9aA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----