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Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:18:03 -0400 (EDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.2 From: =?utf-8?Q?Niels=20Kobsch=C3=A4tzki?= To: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" Cc: Robert Simmons , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Luke Crooks Subject: Re: Old Stuff In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:17:45 +0200 Message-ID: <878ssnnq52.fsf@kobschaetzki.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 484DC72166 X-Spamd-Bar: ------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=kobschaetzki.net header.s=fm3 header.b=VhFvLKqy; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=VQuaUYvb; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of niels@kobschaetzki.net designates 64.147.123.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=niels@kobschaetzki.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[kobschaetzki.net:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[228.189.65.91.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; 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And the rollback is probably mostly because Steam threatened to drop support for Ubuntu. Does FreeBSD have a native Steam-client? Loosing wine-support might hurt but my guess is that it still wouldn't be that bad. I'd prefer to have an additional 32-bit operating system out there for that old hardware. But this role might be fulfilled by NetBSD as well. Dropping old stuff like telnet and ftp from base is imho good as long as they move then to ports. I wouldn't like to loose telnet because I am still not that comfortable in using netcat as a telnet-replacement when I need to do debugging with some mail server for example that doesn't support yet transport encryption. Niels Aaron C. de Bruyn via freebsd-security write= s: > Ubuntu made the decision, then rolled it back (partially) due to community > outcry. (https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/) > If your reason for wanting to drop support is "Ubuntu is doing it", my > response would be "cool story bro". > Can you state what you are trying to accomplish by dropping support so the > merits can be debated? > > -A > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:47 AM Robert Simmons wro= te: > >> I am and am not. Ubuntu has made this choice recently. I doubt I am alone >> in my thinking. I fully expected instant pushback on both suggestions. >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 13:29 Luke Crooks wrote: >> >> > Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and >> > software technologies, still very much in use today. >> > >> > >> > >> > Luke Crooks >> > Solent Wholesale Carpets >> > >> > On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 17:58 Robert Simmons, wrote: >> > >> >> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remo= ve >> >> all >> >> of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and >> >> safer. >> >> >> >> In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and >> ftp. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list >> >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security >> >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> >> freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg >> " >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" --=20 Sch=C3=B6ne Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe Niels