From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 29 11:00:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E041065673; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767268FC17; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDFFE7746; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:00:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from unknown (client-81-107-142-135.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com [81.107.142.135]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:00:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:00:17 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Garrett Cooper Message-ID: <20101029120017.00003c98@unknown> In-Reply-To: References: <20101027212601.GA78062@freebsd.org> <4CC899C3.7040107@FreeBSD.org> <20101027214822.GA82697@freebsd.org> <4CC8A89D.5070909@delphij.net> <20101028152418.A916@besplex.bde.org> <20101028095538.24147119@ernst.jennejohn.org> <20101028182219.GA36559@freebsd.org> <20101028204849.GE46314@acme.spoerlein.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:23:29 +0000 Cc: Doug Barton , d@delphij.net, Ulrich =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sp=F6rlein?= , Gary Jennejohn , src-committers@freebsd.org, Robert Watson , Bruce Evans , svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Alexander Best , svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Dag-Erling Smorgrav Subject: Re: svn commit: r214431 - head/bin/rm X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:00:26 -0000 On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:11:14 -0700 Garrett Cooper wrote: > Unfortunately it's implied superficially by the 3 pass tort; but as > most people who understand magnetic disks know, unless you completely > obliterate a disk, wipe over it with random data enough times, > whatever, the content is still on the disk and retrievable via various > methods... I agree that this advice should be placed near the flag > itself so that people completely understand the implications of the > feature. I believe the only method 10-15 years ago would have been a scanning electron microscope, but that probably isn't possible with today's disks. Simply writing zeros once is enough to obliterate all the data (except for any remapped sectors). -- Bruce Cran