From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 17 23:55:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EA316A41F; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:55:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F4643D53; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:55:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E768A5EA2; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28850-03; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-122-227.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.122.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A8E5E80; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:55:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43A4A557.3010600@mac.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:55:03 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Rhett References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <20051217220021.GB93998@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051217220021.GB93998@svcolo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 23:55:06 -0000 Joe Rhett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 12:04:05AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: >>There will be three FreeBSD 6 releases in 2006. > > While this is nice, may I suggest that it is time to put aside/delay one > release cycle and come up with a binary update mechanism supported well by > the OS? Increasing the speed of releases is good. Increasing the number > of deployed systems out of date because there are no easy binary upgrade > mechanisms is bad. > > It has been bad, it's getting worse. YMMV. I burned a 6.0 release from the ISO image, and did a binary upgrade on an IBM ThinkPad (T.34? maybe), which worked perfectly. All of the 5.x binaries, including X11, KDE, printing, Mozilla, etc worked just fine. Upgrading the ports from there was somewhat annoying, as this guy's machine had ~400 or so, but deleting them all, and then using "pkg_add -r " works just fine if you want to grab the latest current binaries. From there you can portupgrade as usual. Now, if you want to talk about upgrading to intermediate patch releases, you've got a valid point there. :-) -- -Chuck