From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 15 02:28:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8FF16A415 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mrout2.yahoo.com (mrout2.yahoo.com [216.145.54.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951F343CAF for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:25:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from minion.local.neville-neil.com (proxy8.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.48.13]) by mrout2.yahoo.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/y.out) with ESMTP id kBF2Qt55020705; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:26:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:04:20 +0900 Message-ID: From: "George V. Neville-Neil" To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <4581A3E3.9060807@samsco.org> References: <20061213192150.CF83D16A417@hub.freebsd.org> <200612131711.50921.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <4580DFAB.3080601@FreeBSD.org> <200612140917.25523@aldan> <20061214183026.GA1532@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <4581A3E3.9060807@samsco.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.0.90 (i386-apple-darwin8.8.1) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Let's use gcc-4.2, not 4.1 -- OpenMP X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 02:28:34 -0000 At Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:20:03 -0700, Scott Long wrote: > "Vendor support" from the FSF is a myth. FreeBSD has been chasing this > myth for years, and it never ever turns out to be true. GCC 3.4 was > rushed in a fast as possible on the exact argument that 3.4 had vendor > support and 3.3 did not. That was 18 months ago (May 18, 2005), which > is not very long. In that 18 months, the FSF apparently has stopped > supporting 3.4, 4.0, and 4.1. Calling that "vendor support" is insane. > The FSF only "supports" the latest and greatest and possibly the > previous release for a short period of time. I think we should focus a bit more on what people in the field are using on various systems. That is to say it's not so much the "vendor", i.e. the FSF, but we should look at other OSs and software projects that use gcc and see where they are going, because it is very likely that it is from them that we will get patches and support. So, what are the other BSDs using, and what are the Linux distros using or planning to use? Does anyone know? Best, George