From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 7 16:38:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E85D16A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from TRANG.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA2743D1F for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:38:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by TRANG.nuxi.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i67GcsXO007218; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i67GcrO6007213; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:38:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:38:53 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Brad Knowles Message-ID: <20040707163853.GA7063@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <200407062323.02854.kirk@strauser.com> <20040707043251.GA35651@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <200407062345.24117.kirk@strauser.com> <20040707070012.GC38356@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: Kirk Strauser cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rewrite cvsup & portupgrade in C X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:38:55 -0000 On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 10:23:16AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 12:00 AM -0700 2004-07-07, David O'Brien wrote: > > > JDP choose M3 because it was a very good language for the job -- C and > > C++ isn't. We've gone too far in our snooty opinion that if it ain't > > C/C++ it is crap. Modula-3, Ada, and Eiffel are very fine application > > languages, and CVSup is an _application_. > > I'm confused. Once these applications are in binary form, what > difference does it make what language they were written in? HUGE! Well maybe not HUGE, but huge. Languages such as Ada and Modula-3 actually do bounds checking on arrays, for instance. The safety and correctness of an application running depends on the language it is written in. We should have a LOT less buffer overflows if an application language were used for web servers, mail servers, and other network daemons. > Is cvsup not available as a binary-only package that can be installed? > Are you required to build it from source, which is why you have to > install ezm3 as well? You are not required to build it from source -- Kris Kennaway does an excellent job doing that for you. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org)