From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 15:35:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2860816A4CE for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:35:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C839243D54 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:35:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with ESMTP id <20041228153458i9100rfrfbe>; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:35:04 +0000 Message-ID: <41D17D1E.60201@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:34:54 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041219) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freek Nossin References: <20041228145253.550658DC026@ha-smtp1.tiscali.nl> In-Reply-To: <20041228145253.550658DC026@ha-smtp1.tiscali.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time to shut down this list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:35:05 -0000 Freek Nossin wrote: > > > From time to time people have asked for a place for new users to >ask for technical help. That place is, and has always been, >FreeBSD-Questions. If you want a separate group for that, then you >have an issue that has nothing to do with the present discussion. >If there ever were a mailing list for newbie tech support, it would >NOT be this one, it would NOT be this one, do I make myself clear? >A new mailing list would have to be created for the purpose, with a >different name as well as a different list charter. > > > >I do not see the problem in keeping this list. >First you tell us that the original purpose of this list is not of this time >anymore. So IF this list still had that purpose as its right to exist, in >THAT case the list should be removed (I agree with that). > >But that isn't the case, obviously. The list is now used by people who don't >want to post in the -questions mailing list for various reasons. Now you >tell us that there must start a new mailing list for questions that. But >why? This mailing list exists already and its name that used to be wrongly >chosen (with the old purpose), now DOES cover the idea of the list. > >I do think that people that start with freebsd should have a place where >they can ask "stupid" questions, separate from -questions. There are a >number of reasons to do that, but in the past few days they've been summed >up a number of times, so I won't bother you all with that. > >If this list must close for some reason and there is room for a "newbie >corner", than I would suggest to create a -questions and a -advanced, or >something like that. > > > >Ed > > > > Ok, I have a solution to the problems at hand. Delete this list and "charter" then start a new list named freebsd-newbies and make up a new "charter" with the inclusion of basic newbie help questions. I see this as the only real solution to this problem as every one here seems to get all bent out of shape when you don't follow a charter, rule, or some other obscure thing so lets just skirt around the issue and use this loop hole so we can have are calk and eat it to.