From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 27 22:27:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D34D16A4CE for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:27:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postal3.es.net (postal3.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41D343D2D for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:27:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:27:52 -0700 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 9606D5D04; Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:27:51 -0700 (PDT) To: Sean McNeil In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:12:46 PDT." <1096323166.43375.8.camel@server.mcneil.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:27:51 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20040927222751.9606D5D04@ptavv.es.net> cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:27:53 -0000 > From: Sean McNeil > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:12:46 -0700 > Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org > > > --=-w2ACeimMzC8gvQIRU6/Q > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 14:57, George Hartzell wrote: > > Sean McNeil writes: > > > On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 14:16, George Hartzell wrote: > > > > Peter Schultz writes: > > > > > How far off are we from a stable version of FreeBSD PPC? Apple's= > =20 > > > > > laptops are sweet. > > > >=20 > > > > Except for the D#@% caps lock key. It's IN THE WRONG PLACE and > > > > apparent best tool for swapping it around (uControl) doesn't work > > > > reliably and the dang led stays on anyway.... > > >=20 > > > Huh? I'm looking at my powerbook right now and the caps lock key is i= > n > > > the exact same place as it is on my logitec keyboard and my compaq > > > laptop. Only difference that I see is the backspace key says delete a= > nd > > > there is no "delete" key that kills the character on the cursor. > >=20 > > Yeah, I'm an old weirdo [who also uses emacs a lot]. I grew up with > > the control key being that big sucker just to the left of the 'A' key, > > and reaching down and under to the bottom row bothers my left > > wrist/hand. I'm otherwise keyboard agnostic (I don't care where the > > esc key is, I just use ctrl-[ and I'm used to figuring out just what > > the BS/Del key sends) but the ctrl key is important. Fortunately, on > > PC hardware, it's easy enough to get it where i want/like/need it. > > I see what you mean. But they moved that a long time ago. I'm amazed > you have managed to stick with the old positioning. The feel of a > Logitech keyboard is pretty sweet. I still refuse to acknowledge Microsoft's mangling of the previously standard location of the control key. I always remap it to where it really belongs. For those who were not around when it happened, Microsoft thoughtfully moved the control key to its bottom row making it hard to use and by doing so, made the most popular word processor of the day (Wordstar) much harder to use as it uses control characters about as much as Emacs. It has been claimed that this is the reason that it was moved, but it is clear that Wordstar started losing traction in the market quickly leaving only WordPerfect and MS Word to fight it out. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634