From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 20:36:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5947106564A for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BF68FC1D for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:36:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zbeeble@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so1771026wra.27 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:36:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=oAa7t/uGibP5UpQLUz7GXbN3AdRVXjbHUIGmA7w7N0g=; b=PKEJt6cOUiBF0I+Cr/YYa+ECkOcTAOOeX5/CKbqz5DnH1catpAP06Sh55EMiKXsK06 +p+DAFSUMaziJrh9DOa7j+ih15oZuY1gT5hCHbhw/qZ+CGwUOtSa1NmkEWqmX2osvjiI bxjvQSaGwXhOyJ5AF1xYTR7ZIvt0p4X/rlbTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=bqWXdJUkE4fJ6DUqLuT81blEv64hLrrhV0Z2yFePGymac4js698cpntvDI09HzmfsO TK9fe1hxB/PYLsq0735MqpU06WGSao14DbVe+aUJtTxLK30afBdkbRQfMyhYViDN3Fgu FHmi8fAv9K6/gC1cwKMJQC1LLCZI2pXnNGrfc= Received: by 10.100.96.9 with SMTP id t9mr3615867anb.143.1217016468380; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.12.12 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5f67a8c40807251307q5eac959an48de528ab89d663d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:07:48 -0400 From: "Zaphod Beeblebrox" To: "Razmig K" In-Reply-To: <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20080725120020.A428F106569E@hub.freebsd.org> <488A0EF0.6020402@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:36:43 -0000 On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Razmig K wrote: > How about Dell models which come with Ubuntu preinstalled? (Inspiron 1525N > and 1420N, XPS M1330). Don't they have higher chances of running FreeBSD > smoothly? A quick glance over the hardware notes of 7.0-RELEASE and some > googling around show that wireless, video and audio are supported. > One problem with most of the Dell offerings is that they use the NVidia video chipset. Now this is a plus if you're into playing a few games, but it sucks if you're running FreeBSD. One of the original requests was for >4G RAM. The NVidia binary driver only works on IA32, not AMD64 (and the opensource driver sucks at even 2D), so your RAM is practically limited to around 3.5G (depending on a few things). I also havn't seen very many laptops advertising >4G yet (4G, but not more than 4G). Personally, I have the XPS-1730. Largely I tolerate the slow binary driver for AMD64. I use IA32 when I need wine, but my use of ZFS (the 1730 has an option for 2 hard drives) seems to eat up kernel memory until wine can't start pretty quickly. The opensource driver does work and supports nice things like DPMS ---- it's just that the 2D acceleration feels very lacking and it also can't do things like scale a movie at full frame rate. This means that I tend to reboot into windoze for entertainment ... since I can't generally use IA32 mode productively anyways. Other than the video and the fact that I've never seen a Dell suspend successfully under FreeBSD, The laptop is well supported. The PCI express slots and their contents (USB or PCI) show up fine. Even the EVDO broadband modem is fairly easy to suppport. I think the only feature without any support is the SD card reader.