From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 11 11:41:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tsunami.acidpit.org (tsunami.acidpit.org [206.190.163.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A682E37B419 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rch@localhost) by tsunami.acidpit.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBBJenR15331; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:40:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rch@acidpit.org) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:40:49 -0500 From: Robert Hough To: Paul Robinson Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: EzBSD aint for me! Was: A breath of fresh air.. Message-ID: <20011211144049.A14693@acidpit.org> Mail-Followup-To: Paul Robinson , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <01121010202100.00345@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01121010202100.00345@stinky.akitanet.co.uk>; from paul@akita.co.uk on Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 10:20:21 +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 10, 2001, Paul Robinson wrote: > My long-term hope was that we could look to helping -doc create > perhaps a second handbook from a user's perspective that just gets > people up and running and sending their e-mail without having to > resort to the 'normal techniques' we would use. So write it up, and submit it. I'm sure that if it doesn't suck, someone will commit it for you. The more quality documentation, the better. Yes, I agree, it would be nice to see something like this. You, myself, and everyone on this list has the ability to write something up, and submit it. > perhaps we don't want to make the OS easy to use and we should just > drop -current and go back to 3.x-STABLE. :-) Since when is -CURRENT about making the OS easier to use? I don't want FreeBSD to be "easier" to use. I want it to be secure, reliable, responsive and robust. In my opinion, when you make things so easy to use, that even the clueless can do -- you start attracting a whole lot of clueless people. That isn't a totally bad thing in itself, but when those same said clueless people start to think they are administrators - and people hire them. Then things start to get bad... Just look at the majority of Microsoft admins, and the latest wave of so called linux administrators. -- Robert Hough (rch@acidpit.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message