From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Jan 25 17:13:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7204814BBAAC for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:13:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1068CE73 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:13:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C5AF314BBAAA; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F9914BBAA9 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.grem.de (outcast.grem.de [213.239.217.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 114768CE6E for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:13:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 21718 invoked by uid 89); 25 Jan 2019 17:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.101.77?) (mg@grem.de@195.30.121.97) by mail.grem.de with ESMTPA; 25 Jan 2019 17:13:14 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Importing mksh in base From: Michael Gmelin X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16C101) In-Reply-To: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 18:13:13 +0100 Cc: arch@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20190125165751.kpcjjncmf7j7maxd@ivaldir.net> To: Baptiste Daroussin X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 114768CE6E X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.971,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 17:13:23 -0000 > On 25. Jan 2019, at 17:57, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >=20 > Hi everyone, >=20 > I would like to import mksh in base, https://www.mirbsd.org/mksh.htm > And make it the default root shell (not necessary in one step) >=20 > Why: > 1/ it is tiny 400k (in the packaged version) all other shells fitting the > expectation are bigger > 2/ it's default frontend in interactive mode is very close to what most pe= ople > are used to with bash and shells as default root shell on other BSD and mo= st > linuxes > 3/ from my narrow window csh as a default root shell is one of the major > complaint (usually the first thing a user get faced to) from new comers an= d > also for some long timers who are reinstalling a machine and have not yet > installed/configured a bourne compatible shell >=20 > What this proposal is _NOT_ about: > 1/ the removal of tcsh from base > 2/ any kid of denial of the quality and interest or features of csh >=20 > What do you think? Without knowing mksh in detail, based on your description I=E2=80=99m in fav= or of replacing csh with something closer to bash as the default root shell.= In over 20 years of FreeBSD I didn=E2=80=99t manage to warm up with csh and= none of the people I introduced to FreeBSD in that time did either. Michael=