From owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Fri Jul 22 14:27:48 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D29BA116C for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from mail.denninger.net (denninger.net [70.169.168.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7174E1777 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from [192.168.1.40] (Karl-Desktop.Denninger.net [192.168.1.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.denninger.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C88789373 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:27:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: ZFS, SSD and encryption To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org References: From: Karl Denninger Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:27:37 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-512; boundary="------------ms040902060406010407040205" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:27:48 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040902060406010407040205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/22/2016 07:48, Nikos Kastanas wrote: > I have a Lenovo X220 laptop running FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE with ZFS and > encryption on a plain HDD. I am considering buying a Samsung Pro 850 SS= D to > boost performance but I am not sure if TRIM and ZFS+Encryption work wel= l > together. After some research online, I found *this page* > which states the > following: > > *Note: * > ZFS TRIM may not work with all configurations, such as a ZFS filesystem= on > a GELI-backed device. > > From what I can understand from the above note, I should not use the > encryption option when installing FreeBSD with ZFS on an SSD. TRIM will= not > work correctly and therefore the SSD performace will be impacted. Meh. Simply not true. The reason for the "supported feature" flag here is that this machine was recently rolled forward to 11.0-BETA1, but I have not upgraded the pools yet from the feature set of 10.2. [karl@NewFS ~]$ zpool status zsr pool: zsr state: ONLINE status: Some supported features are not enabled on the pool. The pool can= still be used, but some features are unavailable. action: Enable all features using 'zpool upgrade'. Once this is done, the pool may no longer be accessible by software that does not support the features. See zpool-features(7) for details. scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h6m with 0 errors on Sun Jul 17 03:12:01 201= 6 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zsr ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 da8p4.eli ONLINE 0 0 0 da9p4.eli ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors [karl@NewFS ~]$ gpart show da8 =3D> 34 468862061 da8 GPT (224G) 34 2014 - free - (1.0M) 2048 1024 1 freebsd-boot (512K) 3072 1024 - free - (512K) 4096 20971520 2 freebsd-zfs [bootme] (10G) 20975616 134217728 3 freebsd-swap (64G) 155193344 313667584 4 freebsd-zfs (150G) 468860928 1167 - free - (584K) da8: Fixed Direct Access SPC-4 SCSI device da8: Serial Number BTJR41210025240AGN da8: 600.000MB/s transfers da8: Command Queueing enabled da8: 228936MB (468862128 512 byte sectors) root@NewFS:/var/log # sysctl -a|grep trim vfs.zfs.trim.max_interval: 1 vfs.zfs.trim.timeout: 30 vfs.zfs.trim.txg_delay: 32 vfs.zfs.trim.enabled: 1 vfs.zfs.vdev.trim_max_pending: 10000 vfs.zfs.vdev.trim_max_active: 64 vfs.zfs.vdev.trim_min_active: 1 vfs.zfs.vdev.trim_on_init: 1 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.failed: 0 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.unsupported: 25748 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.success: 6120223 kstat.zfs.misc.zio_trim.bytes: 295371051008 And as you can see, TRIM is definitely working (on the devices that can handle it); there are also spinning rust disks in this machine, thus the "unsupported" reports as well. HOWEVER, I do suggest (strongly!) that you NOT use the particular SSD you are intending to buy as it has no power-loss protection. Instead, buy an Intel 730-series drive (that's what's in this machine); it has that protection and it is *EXTREMELY IMPORTANT* as otherwise any power event has the potential of silent corruption which is catastrophic -- especially on an encrypted volume! That same machine has two other 730s running a Postgresql database (also Geli-encrypted) and they're just fine in terms of their wear leveling and such; the media "wearout" indicator shows that 95% of the device's life remains and they currently have 10,000 power-on-hours. They'll wear out in something like another 20 years at present use rates.... :) The 480MB version of that drive is currently available for roughly $250. It is not the fastest SSD out there but the differences between it and others are small and I have *verified* that the power-loss data protection works on these units. IMHO they're the only "consumer" style priced devices that I find acceptable for this reason; the S3500/S3700s are good too, but a hell of a lot more money and unless you need the write endurance IMHO not worth it. The 730 series hits the sweet spot in that it has power-loss protection that *works* and yet they're reasonably priced. I own a bunch of them; they're in my production servers under FreeBSD and also on my Win10 desktop machine. --=20 Karl Denninger karl@denninger.net /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --------------ms040902060406010407040205 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC Bl8wggZbMIIEQ6ADAgECAgEpMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGQMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4G A1UECBMHRmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBxMJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkwFwYDVQQKExBDdWRhIFN5c3Rl bXMgTExDMRwwGgYDVQQDExNDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhND dWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMB4XDTE1MDQyMTAyMjE1OVoXDTIwMDQxOTAyMjE1OVowWjEL MAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNVBAgTB0Zsb3JpZGExGTAXBgNVBAoTEEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBM TEMxHjAcBgNVBAMTFUthcmwgRGVubmluZ2VyIChPQ1NQKTCCAiIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAD ggIPADCCAgoCggIBALmEWPhAdphrWd4K5VTvE5pxL3blRQPyGF3ApjUjgtavqU1Y8pbI3Byg XDj2/Uz9Si8XVj/kNbKEjkRh5SsNvx3Fc0oQ1uVjyCq7zC/kctF7yLzQbvWnU4grAPZ3IuAp 3/fFxIVaXpxEdKmyZAVDhk9az+IgHH43rdJRIMzxJ5vqQMb+n2EjadVqiGPbtG9aZEImlq7f IYDTnKyToi23PAnkPwwT+q1IkI2DTvf2jzWrhLR5DTX0fUYC0nxlHWbjgpiapyJWtR7K2YQO aevQb/3vN9gSojT2h+cBem7QIj6U69rEYcEDvPyCMXEV9VcXdcmW42LSRsPvZcBHFkWAJqMZ Myiz4kumaP+s+cIDaXitR/szoqDKGSHM4CPAZV9Yh8asvxQL5uDxz5wvLPgS5yS8K/o7zDR5 vNkMCyfYQuR6PAJxVOk5Arqvj9lfP3JSVapwbr01CoWDBkpuJlKfpQIEeC/pcCBKknllbMYq yHBO2TipLyO5Ocd1nhN/nOsO+C+j31lQHfOMRZaPQykXVPWG5BbhWT7ttX4vy5hOW6yJgeT/ o3apynlp1cEavkQRS8uJHoQszF6KIrQMID/JfySWvVQ4ksnfzwB2lRomrdrwnQ4eG/HBS+0l eozwOJNDIBlAP+hLe8A5oWZgooIIK/SulUAsfI6Sgd8dTZTTYmlhAgMBAAGjgfQwgfEwNwYI KwYBBQUHAQEEKzApMCcGCCsGAQUFBzABhhtodHRwOi8vY3VkYXN5c3RlbXMubmV0Ojg4ODgw CQYDVR0TBAIwADARBglghkgBhvhCAQEEBAMCBaAwCwYDVR0PBAQDAgXgMCwGCWCGSAGG+EIB DQQfFh1PcGVuU1NMIEdlbmVyYXRlZCBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZTAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUxRyULenJaFwX RtT79aNmIB/u5VkwHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUJHGbnYV9/N3dvbDKkpQDofrTbTUwHQYDVR0RBBYw FIESa2FybEBkZW5uaW5nZXIubmV0MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAA4ICAQBPf3cYtmKowmGIYsm6 eBinJu7QVWvxi1vqnBz3KE+HapqoIZS8/PolB/hwiY0UAE1RsjBJ7yEjihVRwummSBvkoOyf G30uPn4yg4vbJkR9lTz8d21fPshWETa6DBh2jx2Qf13LZpr3Pj2fTtlu6xMYKzg7cSDgd2bO sJGH/rcvva9Spkx5Vfq0RyOrYph9boshRN3D4tbWgBAcX9POdXCVfJONDxhfBuPHsJ6vEmPb An+XL5Yl26XYFPiODQ+Qbk44Ot1kt9s7oS3dVUrh92Qv0G3J3DF+Vt6C15nED+f+bk4gScu+ JHT7RjEmfa18GT8DcT//D1zEke1Ymhb41JH+GyZchDRWtjxsS5OBFMzrju7d264zJUFtX7iJ 3xvpKN7VcZKNtB6dLShj3v/XDsQVQWXmR/1YKWZ93C3LpRs2Y5nYdn6gEOpL/WfQFThtfnat HNc7fNs5vjotaYpBl5H8+VCautKbGOs219uQbhGZLYTv6okuKcY8W+4EJEtK0xB08vqr9Jd0 FS9MGjQE++GWo+5eQxFt6nUENHbVYnsr6bYPQsZH0CRNycgTG9MwY/UIXOf4W034UpR82TBG 1LiMsYfb8ahQJhs3wdf1nzipIjRwoZKT1vGXh/cj3gwSr64GfenURBxaFZA5O1acOZUjPrRT n3ci4McYW/0WVVA3lDGCBRMwggUPAgEBMIGWMIGQMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECBMH RmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBxMJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkwFwYDVQQKExBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExD MRwwGgYDVQQDExNDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhNDdWRhIFN5 c3RlbXMgTExDIENBAgEpMA0GCWCGSAFlAwQCAwUAoIICTTAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZI hvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0xNjA3MjIxNDI3MzdaME8GCSqGSIb3DQEJBDFCBECv hhAX1qJQmIfRs2k0BHlKLpqe0tdy6lrTMoH9oQY7oxqRwN62DRt1ZRL5r1u1QreUzC/bqdmf HZm1Yz4eaFQfMGwGCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFfMF0wCwYJYIZIAWUDBAEqMAsGCWCGSAFlAwQBAjAK BggqhkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0DAgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYI KoZIhvcNAwICASgwgacGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDGBmTCBljCBkDELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNV BAgTB0Zsb3JpZGExEjAQBgNVBAcTCU5pY2V2aWxsZTEZMBcGA1UEChMQQ3VkYSBTeXN0ZW1z IExMQzEcMBoGA1UEAxMTQ3VkYSBTeXN0ZW1zIExMQyBDQTEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTQ3Vk YSBTeXN0ZW1zIExMQyBDQQIBKTCBqQYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxgZmggZYwgZAxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRAwDgYDVQQIEwdGbG9yaWRhMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlOaWNldmlsbGUxGTAXBgNVBAoTEEN1 ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMxHDAaBgNVBAMTE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ExIjAgBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQEWE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ECASkwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggIAH9UYjy2P uDsmg3AdSwLyplQl9+o0UZs6Cv0sM1HvVBrWUcOkmrj3clbBC33Mo23ziHzv2J62OVkaKcMh OJq8SQafp/UirHYL4mAT/skk8+hTxbXSQYo8n6ozKO7CrrQrw6VV3yVDLjB/KfXujfnL6lD4 rod07ef0aLNHnGjY5q0fHHuGX/6lXKeb1YRYV/Wg4BHEkxDI8CPCUZxlMaKSWKcA+q6kRmSh PDMTuIuupx1St2govQG2ROuGF7Xz2UhJL1r5TY2/1GjR2lWZBU8a4ctOO4UAQkrUNQ6BDDWp UQJfIrN5lfruAuezsdP7foVIKkrcz/UPR87qO5z/FS3yLZe0zRp2Z2SpDDP8UJld7hr1Ir+w 4ji/VBce3mK6fTIyQIIn9kSwVjrq+oMv6RR07Lz/3Gno1txldSlIOa7SjyDIobh1OXhj+bMY +q6mY+mKmrxxfks+W36OxWWaJUoTV2l/YaGNiBXp8e2LpVcGRv33xFufTFnsH6H08NWV7y6e el4yZei76UWFFz9gExTgEFMbAdBUqyydQbRIS4J3sQrJAmdPtpM8qaf+WjbdwZB5dK/JqbPd 9fckucJCVXYzDQvJh2r+sMZb9M6P3MIGUGFbR5fMJ3M4reyfmcppdbXm0B7gqIFucCHjwxwa gZsMEsn5n5+8pRyN3k2rCPJrO9kAAAAAAAA= --------------ms040902060406010407040205--