From nobody Mon Nov 29 16:29:30 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3812318AD700 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com (mail-io1-f44.google.com [209.85.166.44]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4J2rRS14Q4z3QBh for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:29:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id c3so22297915iob.6 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 08:29:56 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=dnxfSbzRea0js2l2z6qQRkDRCql02gSWZKHDtdmbcuo=; b=N2aBCWbLN93FlAzMMA/Z1FgL3GVm8Xxbt1HD5b2QGrYOpV7q/tfqqBUD7qjWj1pchy vw3kx8O2uuZ6Erf4r4VV4eaQIgYhsI8pIJ09Jh8ZYhUbtF+LQPcgv3FRZOw0IRkTYt4W KG1JjkzW0WwT1Rp04yWRzmAl5NPnA0+F4vLEeMUPD0K+8mt1I1ttqOl6NE/MjhLlbwzT Gp81f2GXF4NpCq+ZYKjMutHBL0QXRueBAknzycrTaMLlFP/9djMqXTg6qh2m/SCqLkgq jefqB3TtBntL4OeLAQghzhB3DVvLMVCTCYL9NHUFkLgV8qtzKeKfseY/Wq57d0Lw412Q TEqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530sqXNP47ZLVvGeQtm0BbDoog6gvA9m4PKDg6eg0iFf5s0EQj/6 ia3yE93GTum3jjDwREJriP+0fRoZTqQPmmtPk6SiqpEY X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw/P4r4tCNXCZ9gIBUVf0XszXRhFwEYnimZAHqnnjHTAqCw8Es5ycg0ilpR7IJE24/wnwdF7eaP+XULHI1eB8Q= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:818a:: with SMTP id u10mr56964247ion.140.1638203389309; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <861r36xzpe.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <20211128220732.GA81140@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20211129003635.GA81568@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20211129043612.GA82224@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <20211129043612.GA82224@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Ed Maste Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 11:29:30 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for Foundation-supported Project Ideas To: Steve Kargl Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J2rRS14Q4z3QBh X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 at 23:36, Steve Kargl wrote: > > And therein lies the rub. Cirrus-CI skirts the issue with the > slowing down of builds, so developers don't see the problem. This isn't the case. Developers are well aware that buildworld takes longer than desirable, but it's reasonable on contemporary hardware. Cirrus-CI and Jenkins are adjunct to the development process, they don't replace local buildworlds.