From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 30 21:08:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A23916A41C for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:08:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@atopia.net) Received: from neptune.atopia.net (neptune.atopia.net [209.128.231.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223C743D1D for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:08:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@atopia.net) Received: by neptune.atopia.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 258D34176; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by neptune.atopia.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236C04D for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:07:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Juszczak To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050630164529.D65760@neptune.atopia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Two Options: which to choose? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:08:01 -0000 Hi all, Removing IPF for 5.4-STABLE seems to have made the boxes stable. I switched all the firewalls to PF and they haven't crashed since, its been about 3 days now... (before they were crashing every 12 hours). Here are my worries: 1) If I were to put this machine into production, it could crash at any time for another reason... or maybe the switch to PF hasn't actually stabalized it, and its just playing games with me. 2) If it crashes again, I might lose some responsibilities at work due to trust and/or "inabilities". So here's the thing .... 5.4-STABLE is a great OS, I run it on other single processor machines... but obviously it doesn't seem to like the three servers I have it setup on at work that keep crashing (or atleast kept crashing until recently). Therefore, part of me is thinking of switching back to either 4.11 or to OBSD 3.7. Problem is, this switch wouldn't be temporary, it would have to be permanant. I couldn't set things up now and then move them again a month from now. 4.11-STABLE is stable, but it would have to be our solution for at least one or two years... So my debate is whether to choose FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE which I know is stable, but isn't actively developed and/or patched (except for security patches), or choose something like OBSD 3.7 which I know is stable and is also actively developed ... but then again, maybe OpenBSD will have trouble with these three servers too, knowing my luck. What's everyone's opinion? I've had replies to previous posts telling me to go back to 4.11 "temporarily", or to "at least get something stable while you work on something new", but ... I'd like to do this all in one shot..... PS: I don't mind TESTING stability ... as long as the box isn't crashing, I can hold off a few weeks for stability testing before i do a switch over. I'm not looking to do a psycho load-it, install-it, configure-it, switch-it in 24 hours thing.... Regards, Matt