From owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Wed Oct 19 11:26:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA00C18AE5 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:26:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5988BB08 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:26:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C01273B2; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u9JBQMcH023736; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:26:23 GMT (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: Arrigo Marchiori cc: Arrigo Marchiori via freebsd-fs Subject: Re: Random truncated files on USB hard disk with timeouts; how to debug? In-reply-to: <20161019080005.GD93031@nuvolo> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <20161018152715.GC89691@nuvolo> <51997.1476812624@critter.freebsd.dk> <20161019062812.GA93031@nuvolo> <7759.1476858801@critter.freebsd.dk> <20161019064315.GB93031@nuvolo> <7924.1476861738@critter.freebsd.dk> <20161019080005.GD93031@nuvolo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <23734.1476876382.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:26:22 +0000 Message-ID: <23735.1476876382@critter.freebsd.dk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 11:26:25 -0000 -------- In message <20161019080005.GD93031@nuvolo>, Arrigo Marchiori writes: >> If the drive has bad power supply, that may not happen. > >Yes, I understand. But, forgive me for insisting: there is an >inconsistency that is _at filesystem level_ and _temporary_, and this >really puzzles me. Because the drive returns wrong data every so often and when power is better returns correct data ? End-to-End arguments in system design applies here: Either you trust your drive, or you check everything it tells you (ie: RAID with parity, ZFS or similar). The only middle way is prayer. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.