From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 13:08:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7106316A41A for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:08:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88B213C4E8 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0AD8jES056186; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:08:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0AD8hU1056185; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:08:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:08:43 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200801101308.m0AD8hU1056185@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, aryeh.friedman@gmail.com, mh@kernel32.de In-Reply-To: <47861466.5000508@gmail.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-current User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:08:48 +0100 (CET) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:30:28 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:08:50 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Marian Hettwer wrote: > > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > > One thing that FOSS (BSD or GPL) has historical had issues doing > > > cleanly is seperating free software from free beer. [...] > > > Yes the source should be avaible to everyone No, not necessarily. In particular, the BSD license does not enforce availability of the source to everyone, and it does not enforce anything else, except that the license may not be removed. That's not accidental, it's not a flaw, it doesn't need repair. It's intended. And trying to discuss to "repair" that is completely futile. > > > [...] my approach > > > (along with 3 other small software vendors) is to have a > > > requirement to contribute back to the community in some form (in > > > work or help support those doing the work), namely it is free > > > software but not free beer. > > > > Please stop this. FreeBSD is BSD licenced and if you want to start > > another holy war about wether this is good or bad, do it on > > freebsd-chat. Or even better, stop here, right now. > > a) I didn't start the thread and was keeping my comments to a min. You didn't start the thread, but you started abusing it by driving it into the licensing direction. > b) Contrary to it's charter -chat@ really is nothing except for a > flame redirect location (thus as far I can tell almost no one reads > seriously it) That's wrong. The chat list is being used for things that are off-topic on the other lists. Sometimes there are "flames" indeed, but that's a minority. How can you say how many people read it? You have zero data to back up that claim. I do read it for as long as it exists (it's mostly rather low volume), I have even saved a few of the posts because they were interesting, humorous or contained valuable information. I have only posted to it two or three times myself in all those years, though. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "Perl will consistently give you what you want, unless what you want is consistency." -- Larry Wall