Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 13:30:28 +0200 From: Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmail.com> To: Clinton Bessesen <cbessesen@kbcnetworks.com> Cc: Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com>, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@pobox.com>, "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Firefox crashes all the time on the RaspBerry Pi Zero 2W Message-ID: <CA%2B1FSiiXgFkb79SnpPJL3U6sOf5dS6CcDatfhSshO3dxvFmENw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <BYAPR08MB61521D9AE4C0AB579683E54FABB22@BYAPR08MB6152.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> References: <CA%2B1FSig7cE2_qP2GvbjTV34rDqucto-w5o4Ymyou9fVQ21WO=g@mail.gmail.com> <492f6f91-9ce2-497f-9ac1-2c6c7315790b@FreeBSD.org> <e1daada1-e947-4398-9c74-efd1136e7d5c@littlepinkcloud.com> <357901C9-10F1-4041-9BB2-CFE3FF863A82@yahoo.com> <724ADF41-02A6-4452-9AB2-0F7DF376592D@yahoo.com> <CA%2B1FSigAYEVu3eUhFLWOA2e3SeQi4cN_EYT8CpsQWUEcxmaVSA@mail.gmail.com> <13B1A133-8AE6-4588-B3FD-7B66867325C8@yahoo.com> <CA%2B1FSiiNcFR=61O7hmAHSpqXWLghNJagim_-4A2OOuJtX_cvrA@mail.gmail.com> <8bf4162b-64a0-4ec0-95b9-5f71e6ae95cc@pobox.com> <66F95296-09D2-4FE4-BD1C-73B672CFA039@yahoo.com> <CA%2B1FSijdHnKhi_KMpYOgdaLSJb27OWVTD7Otu96gtc2HvffqiA@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSig15JXL-=qpA8%2Bz1w6D146ZE%2Bkn7xZpcPy0vg06vmwEYw@mail.gmail.com> <CA%2B1FSigYvo7JSocPncCCHTeOsNnHPHvsROHVxgZW6ZuBkbbYuw@mail.gmail.com> <BYAPR08MB61521D9AE4C0AB579683E54FABB22@BYAPR08MB6152.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
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--0000000000001d09090632cf8151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I made a mistake before. The image that's seems to be more appropriate for the raspberry pi at 32 bit does not seems to be this one : FreeBSD-14.2-RELEASE-arm-armv7-GENERICSD.img.xz <https://download.freebsd.org/releases/arm/armv7/ISO-IMAGES/14.2/FreeBSD-14= .2-RELEASE-arm-armv7-GENERICSD.img.xz> but this one : FreeBSD-13.5-STABLE-arm-armv6-RPI-B-20250403-f8cd0c8e20b0-259236.img.xz Don't know what differences there are between these versions. With that said,the Superuser.com post says : *Install the 32 bit version of Firefox* By installing the 32 bit version of firefox (apt-get install firefox:i386) the base memory usage is only about 50% of what it is with the 64 bit. To be able to cut 50% of the memory usage in one only shot is very appealing. It's hard to refuse this benefit.... On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 12:48=E2=80=AFPM Clinton Bessesen <cbessesen@kbcnet= works.com> wrote: > Be careful when suggesting 32bit application on a 64bit RISC architecture= . > The 32bit instruction set is a separate license and not every silicon > manufacturer is still going to be implementing the ARMv7 instruction set = on > ARMv8 or ARMv9 architecture. > > I would rather go down the path of optimising firefox memory management > (remove some of the legacy code). > > > > Regards > > Clinton > > > > *From:* owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org <owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org> *On > Behalf Of *Mario Marietto > *Sent:* 15 April 2025 11:10 > *To:* Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> > *Cc:* Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@pobox.com>; freebsd-arm@freebsd.org > *Subject:* Re: Firefox crashes all the time on the RaspBerry Pi Zero 2W > > > > I think,this version : > > > > > https://download.freebsd.org/releases/arm/armv7/ISO-IMAGES/14.2/FreeBSD-1= 4.2-RELEASE-arm-armv7-GENERICSD.img.xz > > > > or, maybe, Firefox can be optimized to run with 512 MB. For > example,installing the 32 bit version of Firefox on the Raspberry Pi zero > (if it exists),according with this post : > > [image: superuser.com] > How can I configure Firefox to assume I have less memory? > <https://superuser.com/questions/459448/how-can-i-configure-firefox-to-as= sume-i-have-less-memory> > > > > just because on a 64 bit OS we can run 32 bit applications....at least in > Linux... > > > > Mario. > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 12:06=E2=80=AFPM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gma= il.com> > wrote: > > Can I install FreeBSD at 32 bit (if it exists) on the Raspberry Pi Zero 2= W > ? > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 2:16=E2=80=AFAM Mario Marietto <marietto2008@gmai= l.com> > wrote: > > I will try all your suggestions one by one. Regarding the wi-fi on the > raspberry pi,I want to open a parentheses... ( > > > > I'm looking for a way to transform a BT keyboard like that I've bought > (LILYGO t-keyboard) into a wired / USB keyboard. > > I need this conversion because FreeBSD on the Raspy (and not only here) > does not recognize almost all the BT/Wi-fi devices or if it does,they wil= l > not work. I found this adapter : > > https://www.intelletto.com/products?id=3D3004 > > I would like to understand if it works like I imagine. Basically what I > want to do to reach the final goal are the following tasks : > > > > 1) I attach the BT dongle > > 2) I turn on my LILYGO bt and it starts waiting for the signal > > 3) I attach your adapter > > 4) I do the pairing > > 5) FreeBSD recognizes the Keyboard as a USB device and it starts working. > > > > I would like to know if,using that adapter, I can exonerate FreeBSD from > recognition or maybe it's better to say make it work,the BT dongle that I > use to do the pairing with my LILYGO keyboard....if the keyboard will be > recognized as one USB keyboard I can use use it on FreeBSD installed on t= he > Raspy. > > > > closed parentheses ) > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 1:59=E2=80=AFAM Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> = wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2025, at 15:41, Zach Metzinger <zmetzing@pobox.com> wrote: > > > On 4/13/25 16:47, Mario Marietto wrote: > >> Why isn't there a specific version of FreeBSD for the raspberry pi zer= o > 2W ? > > > > Hello Mario, > > > > You might think about re-wording that question. It sounds like that > you're demanding that others do work, gratis, for you. > > > > Perhaps a softer way to ask this question is: > > > > "Is there a specific version for each of the RPi platforms, specificall= y > the Zero 2 W?" > > > > I haven't checked recently, but one of the issues I've seen preventing = a > fully-functioning Zero 2 W on FreeBSD is the lack of the wireless driver > (closed source). You might do some research into that and see if the > situation has changed and, if possible, contribute to such work. > > > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi does not list > any RPi* has having "WiFi" OK. It explicitly lists > "Unsupported" for each of: RPI 3 / RPi3B+ / RPI 2 1.2 / RPi4 . > As far as I know, no RPi* has ever had support for any > built-in WiFi or the like. > > In other words: the normal FreeBSD RPi* type of context. > > =3D=3D=3D > Mark Millard > marklmi at yahoo.com > > > > -- > > Mario. > > > > -- > > Mario. > > > > -- > > Mario. > --=20 Mario. --0000000000001d09090632cf8151 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I made a mistake before. The image that's seems t= o be more appropriate for the raspberry pi at 32 bit does not seems to be t= his one :</div><div><br></div><div><div><a href=3D"https://download.freebsd= .org/releases/arm/armv7/ISO-IMAGES/14.2/FreeBSD-14.2-RELEASE-arm-armv7-GENE= RICSD.img.xz" target=3D"_blank">FreeBSD-14.2-RELEASE-arm-armv7-GENERICSD.im= g.xz</a></div><div><br></div><div>but this one :</div><br></div><div></div>= <div>FreeBSD-13.5-STABLE-arm-armv6-RPI-B-20250403-f8cd0c8e20b0-259236.img.x= z</div><div><br></div><div>Don't know what differences there are betwee= n these versions.</div><div><br></div><div>With that said,the Superuser.com= post says :</div><div><br></div><div><p style=3D"font-size:15px;line-heigh= t:27px"><b style=3D"font-size:15px;line-height:27px">Install the 32 bit ver= sion of Firefox</b></p> <p style=3D"font-size:15px;line-height:27px">By installing the 32 bit versi= on of firefox (<code style=3D"font-size:13px;line-height:27px">apt-get inst= all firefox:i386</code>) the base memory usage is only about 50% of what it= is with the 64 bit.</p><p style=3D"font-size:15px;line-height:27px"><br></= p><p style=3D"font-size:15px;line-height:27px">To be able to cut 50% of the= memory usage in one only shot is very appealing. It's hard to refuse t= his benefit.... <br></p></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir= =3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 12:48=E2=80=AFPM Clin= ton Bessesen <<a href=3D"mailto:cbessesen@kbcnetworks.com" target=3D"_bl= ank">cbessesen@kbcnetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D= "gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2= 04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div> <div lang=3D"EN-GB"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali= bri",sans-serif">Be careful when suggesting 32bit application on a 64b= it RISC architecture. The 32bit instruction set is a separate license and n= ot every silicon manufacturer is still going to be implementing the ARMv7 instruction set o= n ARMv8 or ARMv9 architecture.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali= bri",sans-serif">I would rather go down the path of optimising firefox= memory management (remove some of the legacy code).<u></u><u></u></span></= p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali= bri",sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali= bri",sans-serif">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali= bri",sans-serif">Clinton<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Cali= bri",sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p> <div style=3D"border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;b= order-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"= > <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11pt;font= -family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US= " style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> owne= r-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org <owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mario Marietto<br> <b>Sent:</b> 15 April 2025 11:10<br> <b>To:</b> Mark Millard <<a href=3D"mailto:marklmi@yahoo.com" target=3D"= _blank">marklmi@yahoo.com</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> Zach Metzinger <<a href=3D"mailto:zmetzing@pobox.com" target= =3D"_blank">zmetzing@pobox.com</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:freebsd-arm@freeb= sd.org" target=3D"_blank">freebsd-arm@freebsd.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: Firefox crashes all the time on the RaspBerry Pi Zero 2= W<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think,this version :=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://download.freebsd.org/releases/arm= /armv7/ISO-IMAGES/14.2/FreeBSD-14.2-RELEASE-arm-armv7-GENERICSD.img.xz" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://download.freebsd.org/releases/arm/armv7/ISO-IMAGES/1= 4.2/FreeBSD-14.2-RELEASE-arm-armv7-GENERICSD.img.xz</a><u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">or, maybe, Firefox can = be optimized to run with 512 MB. For example,installing the 32 bit version = of Firefox on the Raspberry Pi zero (if it exists),according with this post= :<u></u><u></u></p> <div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18.9pt"><img border=3D"0" width= =3D"316" height=3D"316" style=3D"width: 3.2916in; height: 3.2916in;" id=3D"= m_-6666220099410758946m_7643193570843242486_x0000_i1025" src=3D"https://cdn= .sstatic.net/Sites/superuser/Img/apple-touch-icon@2.png?v=3De869e4459439" a= lt=3D"superuser.com"><u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <h3 style=3D"line-height:18.9pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><a href=3D"= https://superuser.com/questions/459448/how-can-i-configure-firefox-to-assum= e-i-have-less-memory" target=3D"_blank">How can I configure Firefox to assu= me I have less memory? </a><u></u><u></u></span></h3> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:18.9pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p= > </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">just because on a 64 bit OS we can run 32 bit applic= ations....at least in Linux...<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mario.<u></u><u></u></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 12:06<span style=3D"font-fam= ily:"Arial",sans-serif">=E2=80=AF</span>PM Mario Marietto <<a = href=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail= .com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:non= e none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(2= 04,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Can I install FreeBSD at 32 bit (if it exists) on th= e Raspberry Pi Zero 2W ?<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 2:16<span style=3D"font-fami= ly:"Arial",sans-serif">=E2=80=AF</span>AM Mario Marietto <<a h= ref=3D"mailto:marietto2008@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">marietto2008@gmail.= com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:non= e none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(2= 04,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I will try all your suggestions one by one. Regardin= g the wi-fi on the raspberry pi,I want to open a parentheses...=C2=A0 (<u><= /u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'm looking for a way to transform a BT keyboard= like that I've bought (LILYGO t-keyboard) into a wired / USB keyboard.= =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I need this conversion because FreeBSD on the Raspy = (and not only here) does not recognize almost all the BT/Wi-fi devices or i= f it does,they will not work.=C2=A0 I found this adapter :<br> <br> <a href=3D"https://www.intelletto.com/products?id=3D3004" target=3D"_blank"= >https://www.intelletto.com/products?id=3D3004</a><br>; <br> I would like to understand if it works like I imagine. Basically what I wan= t to do to reach the final goal are the following tasks :=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">1) I attach the BT dongle<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">2) I turn on my LILYGO bt and it starts waiting for = the signal<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">3) I attach your adapter<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">4) I do the pairing<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">5) FreeBSD recognizes the Keyboard as a USB device a= nd it starts working.<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I would like to know if,using that adapter, I can <span lang=3D"EN">exonerate FreeBSD from recognition or maybe it's bett= er to say make it work,</span>the BT dongle that I use to do the pairing wi= th my LILYGO keyboard....if the keyboard will be recognized as one USB keyb= oard I can use use it on FreeBSD installed on the Raspy.<u></u><u></u></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">closed parentheses )<u></u><u></u></p> </div> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p> <div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 1:59<span style=3D"font-fami= ly:"Arial",sans-serif">=E2=80=AF</span>AM Mark Millard <<a hre= f=3D"mailto:marklmi@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">marklmi@yahoo.com</a>> = wrote:<u></u><u></u></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:non= e none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(2= 04,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">On Apr 13, 2025, at 15:= 41, Zach Metzinger <<a href=3D"mailto:zmetzing@pobox.com" target=3D"_bla= nk">zmetzing@pobox.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > On 4/13/25 16:47, Mario Marietto wrote:<br> >> Why isn't there a specific version of FreeBSD for the raspberr= y pi zero 2W ?<br> > <br> > Hello Mario,<br> > <br> > You might think about re-wording that question. It sounds like that yo= u're demanding that others do work, gratis, for you.<br> > <br> > Perhaps a softer way to ask this question is:<br> > <br> > "Is there a specific version for each of the RPi platforms, speci= fically the Zero 2 W?"<br> > <br> > I haven't checked recently, but one of the issues I've seen pr= eventing a fully-functioning Zero 2 W on FreeBSD is the lack of the wireles= s driver (closed source). You might do some research into that and see if t= he situation has changed and, if possible, contribute to such work.<br> > <br> <br> <a href=3D"https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi" target=3D"_blank">h= ttps://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi</a> does not list<br> any RPi* has having "WiFi" OK. It explicitly lists<br> "Unsupported" for each of: RPI 3 / RPi3B+ / RPI 2 1.2 / RPi4 .<br= > As far as I know, no RPi* has ever had support for any<br> built-in WiFi or the like.<br> <br> In other words: the normal FreeBSD RPi* type of context.<br> <br> =3D=3D=3D<br> Mark Millard<br> marklmi at <a href=3D"http://yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">yahoo.com</a><br> <br> <u></u><u></u></p> </blockquote> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"all"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br> <span>-- </span><u></u><u></u></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mario.<u></u><u></u></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"all"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br> <span>-- </span><u></u><u></u></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mario.<u></u><u></u></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"all"> <u></u><u></u></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br> <span>-- </span><u></u><u></u></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mario.<u></u><u></u></p> </div> </div> </div> </div></blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div><br><span class=3D"gm= ail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signatu= re">Mario.<br></div> --0000000000001d09090632cf8151--
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