From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jan 13 14:50:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA12202 for current-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA12197 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA21418 for freebsd-current@freefall.freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:50:35 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.4/8.6.9) id XAA03286; Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:29:20 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 23:29:20 +0100 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-current@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: a last word on last References: <199701130757.IAA05591@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55-PL10 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199701130757.IAA05591@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>; from Christoph Kukulies on Jan 13, 1997 08:57:38 +0100 Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > You can also use src/tools/3.0-upgrade/cvs-wtmp. > > I did that a couple of times and either cvs-wtmp barfed at > some entries or it didn't work for some other reasons. Have you tried the `force' switch of the most recent version? > I know that the wtmp/utmp issues have been discussed widely but > a clearing word on this issue would really be helpful. What is the idea > to cope with this problem? The idea for the final solution has been floating around here, and was commonly accepted: all the utmp/wtmp handling stuff should be isolated in libutil (it is already mostly), and no application should ever need to include again (login(3) is still failing this API requirement). There's already one positive side-effect of this discussion: i finally (after more than 10 years of existance?) wrote the man pages for libutil. ;-) Once this has been done, and the major packages and third-party software actually uses it, we can do with utmp whatever we want, we can convert it into dBase format :), make it a record structure, or what else might be the most rationale format. Needless to say, somebody needs to do all this. I have the feeling that David Nugent (hi Dave :) feels compelled to work in this area... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)