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In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:14:29 -0700 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <19D1F98B-6F55-42C7-9C82-FB6F6032EA66.ref@yahoo.com> <19D1F98B-6F55-42C7-9C82-FB6F6032EA66@yahoo.com> To: Dewayne Geraghty X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DgmFk4wbgz4cRY X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=rbElcRxe; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.30)[-0.296]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-stable@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 18:14:42 -0000 > On Feb 12, 2021, at 11:03 PM, Dewayne Geraghty = wrote: > As a change management task, I would hope that a mapping between = svnlite > and git would've become available for FreeBSD users, similar to the = cvs > to svnlite migration. I guess we need to create a test machine to > figure out the commands we need for git to replace what we use in the > scripts (mainly "update -r "{$DATE}", diff and log along with the > incantation to create a git repository). I wrote this up: https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/mini-primer.md which has how to do all the basics, but doesn=E2=80=99t have a handy = translation table. It should suffice. If it doesn=E2=80=99t, open a = problem or send a pull request for improvement. All the information in my GitHub pages are moving to the handbook. I = wrote them there due to the asciidoc conversion going on at the same = time as the git conversion and didn=E2=80=99t want to step on any toes. > I wish that I could articulate the reason to management that FreeBSD = is > making the move from svn to git? I did this video: https://youtu.be/uj1Ricrq0bs which explains things (though there=E2=80=99s a few in-jokes) As well as this blog entry: = http://bsdimp.blogspot.com/2020/09/freebsd-subversion-to-git-migration.htm= l and this update https://github.com/bsdimp/freebsd-git-docs/blob/main/git-why.md But the elevator pitch is that the svn ecosystem is fading and the git = ecosystem is growing stronger. The project can leverage many CI tools to = improve quality that don=E2=80=99t support subversion. More people know = git than subversion, so it helps with recruiting. Git will also enable = the project to have a better commit workflow that can do more testing = prior to publishing rather than after-the-fact as with subversion. > Is there a timeline when svn for stable-12 /usr/src disappears? At least the duration that the project officially supports stable/12. = Maybe a bit more, but many factors that are currently unknown confound = being more specific. Warner=