From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 10 06:15:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26888 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:15:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26881 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:15:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id PAA15488; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:14:39 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981110151438.A15464@cons.org> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:14:38 +0100 From: Martin Cracauer To: Yarema , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X desktop contest? + Desktop Env References: <03ca01be0c2c$9a6112e0$1f40e6cd@ichiban.ingress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <03ca01be0c2c$9a6112e0$1f40e6cd@ichiban.ingress.com>; from Yarema on Mon, Nov 09, 1998 at 05:02:11PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <03ca01be0c2c$9a6112e0$1f40e6cd@ichiban.ingress.com>, Yarema wrote: > > The default shells are because of an attempt to keep ``standard''. > >Although, I believe we should also include tcsh or bash... but I think > >they are under GPL license. Well, I think bash is. > > But zsh is under a BSD style license and IMHO it's better than but similar > enough to bash. So how about tcsh and zsh? I don't think that makes sense. bash2 is now the "standard" shell for userfriendly Unix accounts (and works well, BTW). If we ship a slightly different default shell, we'll be flooded with PRs from people used to bash. And zsh has quite some subtle differences (IMHO, it is much worse than bash2). And I don't think the license matters that much in this case, either. A more comfortable shell is for those people who want it and as long as the system still runs when you remove it, a GPL software is fine. P.S. What we need here is ports//easy2use which depends on X11, bash2, fvwm2/95, some file browser, a stupid X editor, less, a Web browser with default to /usr/share/doc/handbook/index.html, Mail and News reader. Just use the most commonly used tools (see logfile from wcarchive for pub/FreeBSD/packages). And which installs a set of useful default dotfiles, either to /etc or so that adduser will use it as default when creating a new account. That way, we can even take the incredible bloat and gone-wild configuration Linux distributions like S.U.S.E. put on the user to our advantage. Just the most common tools with a lightweight non-agressive configuration. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message