From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 23 02:53:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0F916A41F for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:53:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from djh@nebcorp.com) Received: from ratchet.nebcorp.com (ratchet.nebcorp.com [205.217.153.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502BF43D45 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:53:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from djh@nebcorp.com) Received: by ratchet.nebcorp.com (Postfix, from userid 1014) id 1D9E5D9823; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 19:53:00 -0700 From: Danny Howard To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050723025300.GY24353@ratchet.nebcorp.com> References: <20050721192613.GA61902@FS.denninger.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20050721153750.0851fab0@64.7.153.2> <20050721202234.GA62615@FS.denninger.net> <20050722004340.H16902@fledge.watson.org> <20050722001253.GA70277@FS.denninger.net> <20050722013605.U16902@fledge.watson.org> <20050722010611.GA72234@FS.denninger.net> <42E0F93E.7000108@commit.it> <20050722194009.GA95692@FS.denninger.net> <20050722195357.GB95692@FS.denninger.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050722195357.GB95692@FS.denninger.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu Subject: Re: make -j as a stress test (was: Re: Quality of FreeBSD) [WARNING - 6.0-BETA1 still hosed!] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:53:00 -0000 On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 02:53:57PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote: [...] > Note carefully from this that there is NO ERROR INDICATION AS TO WHY THE > DISK DETACHED! > > At least with the 5.x problems you'd SEE an error before it went BOOM. > > This time around, nope - just death. > > What's worse, the complaints continue even through a shutdown ... While I agree with Karl that introducing instability is a very bad thing, I guess we now have an answer to Karl's vexation yesterday: [ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-July/017210.html ] "What I don't understand Robert is why Soren's code is "too sensitive" to commit, but the explosive reduction in stability that the changes made between 4.x and 5.3 caused weren't enough to back THAT out until it could be fixed." The answer would seem to be that when someone actually does test the untested code, it is even worse than the code we are already upset with. :) Love, -danny -- http://dannyman.toldme.com/