From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 19 21:12:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B196714D69 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id VAA04624; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id VAA06659; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:09:59 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA19118; Wed, 19 May 99 21:09:49 PDT Message-Id: <37438B0C.C97BE4CE@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:09:49 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis A. Mamakos" Cc: Andy Doran , Chuck Robey , "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: c9x (new ANSI C) References: <199905192354.TAA17959@whizzo.transsys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Louis A. Mamakos" wrote: > > > On Wed, 19 May 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > > > Becoming well versed in C++ has meant that I can now bore you endlessly > > > with well expressed reasons why I dislike C++. Now you have all the > > > language propeller-heads wanting to change C into a C++ lookalike. > > > > I've always preferred Objective-C, simply because it's unintrusive (not > > that I speak it that well :). > > Truly and example of the "less is more" concept in action. I've done > some non-trivial development in Objective-C, and I can assure you that > I haven't missed C++'s operator overloading. I on the other hand have written working embedded systems in C++ and find it well suited for ANY programming purpose, as long as you under- stand what is really happening inside the language and use the features that are appropriate for your application. Programmers who like language X because they don't have to know what's going on under the hood worry me, because that means they're trusting the operation of their software to programmers they literally know nothing about -- the compiler writers. And I've been at this FAR too long to implicitly trust the compiler writers, no matter HOW good they are. Poor craftsmen blame their tools, skilled craftsmen make the tools at hand produce works of art. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message