From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 11 13:52:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151B2668222 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:52:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.raver@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x230.google.com (mail-oi1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GN7d26y3zz3MJb for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david.raver@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x230.google.com with SMTP id z3so19348526oib.9 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 06:52:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=k0vZvux+uKX/LIgtk0sP2CD69vcUlsO3mRno0rtrUJk=; b=S1k9rtHLKGx+Z1bkegfUjbzIfZfSKCkkLmExbZJ49TQslw4hvTlTdRnUO4GgPEhBRX o+Bdk4+R+ka4pjW/WHCcVPzVjY1VU9dsr9rKNelmJ5RUiKO8tfz5sGp6lsXuU5kgQ0+u mi4ab3hLRpNHhm6VNTJmMV4pbayEmSRJs+P3kFCLRoIgdb0vF5KadthT/s9F6rUCdx4x DH7E86cCUJw7cZH7zhUiyJ0vLKS39DoZCttJYXy8ZfaK5I8E0e4oKPuqzT3slpn57I9t 82bVymhLVQuvflZvHKYD+6WquUei+2RZY/3pxlTURhwqhdH00HvBe0Cr5aBTm36i/pfV oVpA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=k0vZvux+uKX/LIgtk0sP2CD69vcUlsO3mRno0rtrUJk=; b=lgZi9cDCFygxNoM6ID1Egqb5Ng0JtD+3VVIJHx9zhU5T+qUjl5ZeKmRNly0/JG4dRy f7EzoCNUXkn8+HcTjfu63JZR2SRH+fRx0uDl8KmE9NhiSO4ycSOaN4wh+JAzGHa54XyW oYNuPCy5WK9Zhh9DrJyu4dsncnK5/rnTX47RR9ULoFpK4/e+2g8zalgJtq06tYg7i/js gscUbE04Ub8l1LjNsDYZPsy0WCcGQU0BLYHwAZwIqlfM5o5CVxwQA0gxpjf6/Pj94my1 cS+IeF9qCV9FGXYWCMSEIhtRCJow0HalEHSkXAMnHz82jdygkKOMJRcI9EqLysFylyaH rQrA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533EQaqq5ony5CJbwRL5+qL6idwzUHMk4U9r4S+hrTd5/kRuKhWM h6n+bsAGlGXz+dAOjmmh0nQCGtYRLJkXT+A1tRw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxWMdpHJ/5QUPGFslJ6XTctr+zE+GZdeQEluF+q2ZF9VBFWYz/KCSbdXrlmID49uti5EJdvjwY067ifOBQI+No= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:2024:: with SMTP id q36mr15572342oiw.130.1626011557827; Sun, 11 Jul 2021 06:52:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> In-Reply-To: <20210711131653.GA2137057@admin02.HOFF.local> From: David Raver Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 15:52:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Goodbye To: David Raver , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GN7d26y3zz3MJb X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=S1k9rtHL; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of davidraver@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=davidraver@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.89 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::230:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.07)[-0.065]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.18)[0.178]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::230:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::230:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 20:02:50 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2021 13:52:40 -0000 On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 3:17 PM Simon Hoffmann wrote: > > Which commands did you use? > Can't remember anymore. They went out of my head along with the steam blowing out of my ears. > All of this is listed with detailed explanations. I was able to perform > the update on > first try without any problems. > Lucky you. > Time: 5 min. > You must be the one with the doctorate of General (or is it Special?) BSDvity Theory then. > su says sorry if your user is not in wheel. > > Sounds to me like you were in Live CD mode? > Sounds like your hearing must be impeccable. > > Google helped again: in order to do that one must choose option 2 while > > Quick question: you are aware of the very detailed FreeBSD Handbook that > answers > pretty much every question? > I am, yes. I just don't like the idea that in order to do some little thing one must read it in its entirety. > Please take a look at https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > No thanks. Also, your hearing must be somewhat less than perfect in this case. Let me repeat myself (for the tenth time): reading extensive handbooks to solve something that should've been solved automatically is not my favourite thing in the world. > > booting. Fsck!?! Obviously one must have a BSD degree to use a computer. > > No, one must read the manual. BSD is not Linux. > OK, for the eleventh time: you know the drill by now > > OK, after a restart (and successful su) I googled about installing a GUI > > (KDE to be exact). Being unpleasantly surprised that, instead of a > > oneliner, one has to buy a new keyboard with an extended life expectancy > in > > order to type an equivalent of Tolstoy's War and Peace. > > Man, how hard is it to put something in a shell script?!? > > Again, the Handbook is your best friend. > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/ > Note to self: man, some people choose to turn the blind eye even if you practically stick it to them. > You even have two ways of installing! Using pre-configured and > pre-compiled binaries > that can be installed via pkg add, or using ports to configure and build > yourself, to > fulfill all your needs. Such wow! > > In a nutshell: > > pkg install xorg > pw groupmod video -m > pkg install urwfonts > pkg install x11/sddm > echo dbus_enable="YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > echo proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 >> /etc/fstab > echo sddm_enable="YES" >> /etc/rc.conf > Nope, that's not what the handbook says. It's definitely more than seven. Quite a bit more. Moreover, if one makes one little spelling mix-stake, that could be your excuse for why the whole thing failed. I'm not into that. It has to be failsafe. > I don't know about you, but I count 7 lines of commands, which you can > basically > copy-paste. I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but mine can > handle a few > keystrokes. > Mine handles "del BSD" (8 chars, incl. enter) pretty well. > Took me about 5 minutes aswell. > Took me about two seconds. Incl. handling the "Are you sure?" question. > You know, you could always ask politely to get help... > As polite as possible: HELP! Then again, it would be useless now. The del I mentioned above took care of that. > Again, the Handbook is your friend. > Oh, man, I will not even bother anymore. D.