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Date:      Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:54:53 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Adam Strohl <adams@digitalspark.net>
To:        "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>
Cc:        "Eric J. Schwertfeger" <ejs@bfd.com>, "Daniel O'Connor" <doconnor@gsoft.com.au>, Darryl Okahata <darrylo@sr.hp.com>, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Dual Celeron + FreeBSD?
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9911051353460.583-100000@nightfall.digitalspark.net>
In-Reply-To: <199911051829.KAA57885@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>

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I Agree totaly with this, disk is THE choke point for make world for my
SMP system, must ... resist .. urge ... to ... buy ... SCSI ... hardware.
:)

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On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:

> > On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Adam Strohl wrote:
> > 
> > > In the real world the 1/2 the cache at 2x the speed makes all of JACK
> > > in performance difference from the "real" PIIs.  It rocks.
> > 
> > I agree for the most part, on single-processor machines, though it's
> > actually a quarter the cache. The reduced, faster cache causes a single
> > celeron to be more memory-bandwidth sensitive. An SMP machine, however,
> > has two CPUs contending for the same bandwidth, and for some processes,
> > that can be fatal.
> > 
> > I've done make buildworld's on both my dual Celeron and my dual PPro (the 
> > ones with 512K cache). The difference between single and dual celeron is
> > minimal, about 10%.  On the dual PPro machine, the speed improvement,
> > using the same disk subsystem, was 80%.  Yes, on processes that aren't
> > memory intensive, dual Celerons rock.  In fact, on most things, I see
> > closer to 40-50% improvement with dual Celerons, the make buildworld is
> > rather memory intensive.
> 
> Actually make buildworld is disk intensive... SMP plain out does not
> seem to help it much, unless of course you run a non-standard make
> world with -pipe, which then does make the memory bandwidth demand
> higher, and if both sides of the pipe just happen to get split accross
> 2 processors it causes the small cache to be ineffective and the memory
> system to be a major stall point.
> 
> Raid 1 (mirroring) with 3 disk drives tends to help it more than anything...
> single or dual processor.  Or properly splitting /usr/src, /usr/obj and
> ${DESTDIR} to 3 spindles does wonders on any type of cpu, even an old
> Pentium 100 sees a big improvement...
> 
> -- 
> Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25)               rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net
> 
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