From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 5 07:08:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CFC106566C; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A4F8FC14; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 07:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4C065BF; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:08:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4BDF78123; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:08:36 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Konstantin Belousov References: <506C385C.3020400@FreeBSD.org> <506DEB4C.5020508@andric.com> <86haq9hq2c.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20121005033244.GL35915@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:08:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20121005033244.GL35915@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> (Konstantin Belousov's message of "Fri, 5 Oct 2012 06:32:44 +0300") Message-ID: <86y5jll7kc.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Dimitry Andric , Andriy Gapon , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: x86 boot code build X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 07:08:38 -0000 Konstantin Belousov writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > Dimitry Andric writes: > > > Well, do we still officially support any real i386 machines? > > No, 486 and up only. Personally, I think we should ship 586 > > binaries (pentium-mmx) by default. > There is absolutely no architectural difference between usermode ISA > between i386 and pentiums, ignoring SMP-support instructions, which > are usually not emited by the compiler anyway. By "binaries" I mean ISOs and freebsd-update, including the kernel. (actually, it's the kernel I care the most about) > Really interesting stuff started appearing with pentium pro, like CMOV > instructions. Even more important, -march=3Dpentiumpro generates much > better -fPIC code (probably could be activated by -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro). Which is why most Linux distributions target 686, but we can't if we want to support small systems like the AMD Geode-based soekris net4xxx and net5xxx out of the box. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no