From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Sep 20 15:41:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E023E5BE7 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:41:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BvWy11kMVz3SMk; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.159] (cpe-23-243-161-111.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.161.111]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d0a99214 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Plans for git To: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Lucas_Nali_de_Magalh=c3=a3es?= , Chris , Kristof Provost , FreeBSD Current References: <202009201400.08KE0PBd028190@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <13a965d9-ef02-f876-dd6c-aa872b66d114@nomadlogic.org> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 08:41:13 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <202009201400.08KE0PBd028190@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BvWy11kMVz3SMk X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.96 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.943]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[23.243.161.111:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.73)[-0.733]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.982]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-current]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,bsdforge.com,freebsd.org] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:41:14 -0000 >> making quarterly reports about this for almost a years as well. We put out >> calls for people to help with the efforts about the same time. We have >> tried at every step of the way to be open and honest that this was going to >> happen. > All developer centric communications.... I would argue that quarterly reports are actually one of the few methods of getting accurate information about the state of the project as a non-insider.  i've been following the progress of this work via the quarterly status reports for years now, and as someone who is merely a freebsd operator felt like i was more or less kept up to date on this eventuality. honestly there has to be *some* responsibility of operators to at least make an effort to keep up to date on the status of the various efforts in such a large project.  and as an outsider the idea that comms can only happen on the mailing list isn't the greatest - how am i to know that the idea of one person on the ML carries more weight than another, or one persons opinion is the "official" stated opinion of the core group? -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA