Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2012 16:08:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Bouquet <jeffreybouquet@yahoo.com> To: Jamie Paul Griffin <jamie@osx.kode5.net>, Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Announcing the end of port CVS Message-ID: <1347145713.16545.YahooMailClassic@web111312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <CAN6yY1vFadjHcrmRirYe-R0TgO6dbA1MWqU6MrDF5b8bNP1FzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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=0A=0A--- On Sat, 9/8/12, Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A> F= rom: Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com>=0A> Subject: Re: [HEADS-UP] Announci= ng the end of port CVS=0A> To: "Jamie Paul Griffin" <jamie@osx.kode5.net>= =0A> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org=0A> Date: Saturday, September 8, 2012, 2= :42 PM=0A> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:09 AM, Jamie=0A> Paul Griffin <jamie@os= x.kode5.net>=0A> wrote:=0A> > [ Lars Eighner wrote on Fri=A0 7.Sep'12 at 10= :00:45=0A> -0500 ]=0A> >=0A> >> On Fri, 7 Sep 2012, Beat Gaetzi wrote:=0A> = >>=0A> >> >The development of FreeBSD ports is done in=0A> Subversion nowad= ays.=0A> >> >For the sake of compatibility a Subversion to=0A> CVS exporter= is=0A> >> >in place which has some limitations. For CVSup=0A> mirroring cv= sup=0A> >> >based on Ezm3 is used which breaks regularly=0A> especially on = amd64=0A> >> >and with Clang and becomes more and more=0A> unmaintainable.= =0A> >>=0A> >>=0A> >> What exactly is the motivation again for moving=0A> f= rom things which work like=0A> >> cvsup and gcc to things that are broken o= r lame=0A> like subversion and clang?=0A> >=0A> > They're not broken. I've = recently been using them and=0A> they're fine.=0A> > There has been plenty = of discussion about the reasons=0A> for the changes so=0A> > have a read fr= om the various sites and list archives.=0A> =0A> Looks like a troll to me. = No one who has worked with=0A> subversion for a=0A> project of any size wou= ld ever want to go back to CVS. While=0A> still=0A> having some of CVS's li= mitations, it does far, far more and=0A> is much=0A> easier to work with fo= r most things. I really miss the=0A> forced commit=0A> and, for one applica= tion, RANCiD, I use CVS so I can grep=0A> through the=0A> ,v files easily. = But I can't see any reason for FreeBSD not=0A> to move=0A> the the more adv= anced system.=0A> =0A> As to clang, there is no choice there. The license o= n newer=0A> version of=0A> gcc (GPLv3) is simply not acceptable to the comm= unity, so=0A> gcc is stuck=0A> forever at 4.2 which is getting very old. cl= ang has=0A> excellent=0A> development support, an acceptable license, and e= arly tests=0A> show that=0A> it generally compiles faster and MAY even gene= rate better,=0A> faster=0A> code.=0A> -- =0A> R. Kevin Oberman, Network Eng= ineer=0A> E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com=0A> ___________________________________= ____________=0A> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org=0A> mailing list=0A> http://list= s.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports=0A> To unsubscribe, send any m= ail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A> =0A=0AI'd not go so far = as to label it trolling....=0A...=0A I searched quite a bit upon this anno= uncement to find csup > svn equivalent guides and found little applying to = ports...=0Ahopefully they will appear prior to the changeover?, something = =0Aeasily learned?=0A=0A....=0A(disregarding portsnap for the moment, and I= apologize...)=0A....=0A(the .htm I saved from the web searches (svn) appea= r too complex and=0Airrelevant to this use case to be of use here...)=0A...= =0AAs a minor aside, /devel/apr1/ is a dependency of subversion at=0Aleast= on this machine probably... =0A...=0AAll the many FreeBSD texts I've read = and used, maybe one of them=0Ahas a relevant chapter? And/or maybe complete= SVN instructions=0Ashould be added to the UPDATING file as well as a secti= on on=0Aports in the subversion manpage(s).=0A...=0AAll taken as constructi= ve discussion hopefully. I re-edited this=0Aemail to make it shorter and l= ess critical...=0A=0AJ. Bouquet=0A
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