From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 05:37:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319FA16A422; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5DD43D48; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:37:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.14] (imini.samsco.home [192.168.254.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4M5aj9i094561; Sun, 21 May 2006 23:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <44714DE2.8020301@samsco.org> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:36:34 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050416 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" References: <32264.1147899148@critter.freebsd.dk> <446B8E36.8050902@elischer.org> <20060518000342.GJ61448@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20060521221556.GA97506@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20060521223518.GA34882@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060521223749.GA37532@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20060521223749.GA37532@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: Wilko Bulte , Poul-Henning Kamp , src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-src@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Product management (was: Apologies X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 05:37:05 -0000 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 22 May 2006 at 0:35:18 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > >>On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 07:45:56AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote.. >> >>>A number of people have contacted me expressing concern about the >>>message I sent recently, and that I was being rude to phk. I formally >>>apologize to phk and anybody else who might feel offended. It wasn't >>>my intention to be offensive, merely to draw attention to problems we >>>have with product management. These problems remain. >> >>I'm not entirely sure what problems exactly, > > > The question was who should authorize removing code from the tree. > I think what you are saying is that there should be a democratic process with a broad consensus building effort before any decision is made. Anyhow, alpha and pcvt have been discussed in the last 3 devsummits, if not more. Minutes even get posted from some of them. Scott