From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 11 10:20:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8807F09163 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from bca5.email-od.com (bca5.email-od.com [207.246.239.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36A1570BC5 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1518344415; x=1520936415; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=xWfLKTNODcdis6FIIyq/P8RLcvkqxtlnk00oQcQD1pw=; b=JxH0ljZJpRLVn8G/jjNnGPnyKVMKVzxU72HbvEzm72TRmSlqYtMSX3/4kUZVZxqBu8trNleIfazHH+zWRMAGtxfwilm5NTe2lppH2+JcB0RTxDMKRuZJ/1d4CKqGjVvnk/J0a8F1KmdsDPYQEqlDzOqxxNxYyIIXkNQ/onjeDu0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi44ZTAwMDAwMDNmOGYxYi5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r4.h.in.socketlabs.com (s1-b40f.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.180.15]) by bca2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:20:00 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [89.127.62.20]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256) Sun, 11 Feb 2018 05:19:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.90 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ekojh-00007J-BY; Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:19:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:19:53 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: C Gray Subject: Re: a rant about soundcards and its endless dead-time Message-Id: <20180211101953.f172f246fe0a8d19fd0e15b6@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.6.0 (GTK+ 2.24.31; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:20:11 -0000 On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 19:07:28 -0800 C Gray wrote: > So, I ordered the Creative Sound Blaster Live! SB0060: > • Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! PCI Sound Card > • General Features: > • Interface: PCI Note PCI not PCIe or PCI-X but PCI an older bus standard. I strongly suspect that when that card was designed neither PCIe nor PCI-X existed. > My search will never find anything, esp. given that the search engine war > went to a company hell-bent on refusing the world use to its own history, > knowledge, and tools: "Creative Sound Blaster Audigy" AND ("EMU10K2" OR > "CA0100" OR "CA0101") AND "PCM" AND "MIDI" AND ("PCIe x4" OR "PCIe x8" OR > "PCI-X") > > I was sent the following: > Cards do NOT fit and run in any slot if the slots and card inserts are > kept in the "need to know" zone. > > False advertising and planned obsolescence run the industry. I see no false advertising - it clearly states PCI not PCIe or PCI-X. > That isn't why I got my ASCST and BSCS degrees in the late 1980s. > > I have standardized slots for in my Dell PowerEdge T300 server as follows: > slot 1: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 with x8 connector > slot 2: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x4 > slot 3: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 > slot 4: 3.3-V, full-length PCIe x8 > slot 5: 3.3-V, full-length PCI-X Yep no PCI slots so why did you buy a PCI card ? > The FreeBSD list needs to actually be based in less of a Venn-diagram FreeBSD will happily drive that card if you run it on a machine with a PCI slot. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith