From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 6 12:01:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA3116A41B for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:01:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7523A13C4CE for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m16Boven002735; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:50:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id m16BoAil002731; Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:50:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:50:10 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: cpghost In-Reply-To: <20080206110655.GA2410@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> Message-ID: <20080206124601.S2729@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> References: <20080206004405.M9353@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20080206011046.GA90081@aleph.cepheid.org> <20080206103009.G2022@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20080206110655.GA2410@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: www search engines X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:01:18 -0000 >> what would be otherwise crime - to requirement. >> >> As i'm a small ISP myself, i should record EVERYTHING my users transmit. > > IANA(P)L, but if Poland implements the EU data retention directive > 2006/24/EC, its laws should only require ISPs to save connection data, > i.e. who communicated with whom and when (source-ip:port, dest-ip:port, > time stamp), and who got assigned which IP, but not the data itself > (the payload): i don't know if it implements it, i just know current law that exist today, static that you have to record TRAFFIC. this is nonsense. but this is LAW. > traffic analysis and mass surveillance in our brave new Orwellized > 1984-esque world. Orwell just missed the date. and only this. > > In most EU countries, ISPs are NOT (yet?) required to save the payload > itself; and may even be prohibited to do so under privacy / data > protection statutes without special overriding court order. As an ISP, All Polish "free mail" services (and i'm sure all world-wide like goolag-mail) records every mail they ever process. not just connection data. i'm sure about it as i've seen police showing printed someone's mail body from over year ago from @wp.pl > you should *really* check with a specialized lawyer and err on the > side of caution. Laws can be tricky, wherever you operate. i checked a year ago - i though i did it carefully. but i will recheck.