From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 01:03:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAED237B404 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA58843F85 for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 01:03:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 520023893678-0001@t-online.de) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19B924-0004E2-02; Thu, 01 May 2003 10:03:08 +0200 Received: from pD9017226.dip.t-dialin.net (520023893678-0001@[217.1.114.38]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19B91x-0tHed6C; Thu, 1 May 2003 10:03:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:02:39 +0200 (CEST) From: 520023893678-0001@t-online.de (P. U. Kruppa) To: "Cliff L. Biffle" In-Reply-To: <200305010033.42160.cbiffle@safety.net> Message-ID: <20030501095017.B24290@small.pukruppa.de> References: <007401c30f75$5e4227d0$6601a8c0@VAIO650> <200305010033.42160.cbiffle@safety.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: 520023893678-0001@t-dialin.net cc: Lucky Green cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.0 newbies: FreeBSD's future [was: Re: Tracking -CURRENT] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "P.U.Kruppa" List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 08:03:13 -0000 On Thu, 1 May 2003, Cliff L. Biffle wrote: > Well said. > > Speaking as someone who -is- subscribed to both current@ and cvs-all@, I got > something on the order of three hundred new messages from the two lists > today. Expecting a user of 5.0-RELEASE who is tracking head for the bugfixes > to read -- or even skim -- all these is, well, a tall order. > > However, I also recognize that a lot of developers aren't interested in > answering questions, particularly ones that, to someone immersed in the code, > seem dumb. > > Perhaps a new mailing list is in order? I'm generally not a proponent of > fragmenting mailing lists, since more often than not the people with > questions are on one, while the people with answers are on another. However, > what do y'all think about a current-questions sort of list? current@ tends > to be more devel-oriented, and questions@ tends to be clueless about -current > or even 5.0. I know I would have benefited from it greatly early on (and > probably still would). > > As far as searching the mailing list archives, that's all well and good -- as > long as you know what to search for, which a lot of people don't. "My > computer won't leave the bootloader" doesn't translate for most people into a > search query of "disabling ACPI." :-) (For relatively recent converts, it > doesn't even translate to "my computer won't leave the bootloader," for that > matter.) The fact of the matter is that humans are vastly better > natural-language search engines than what we have on the mailing list > manager, assuming they're in a position to answer questions (are willing and > have the time). A separate questions list might resolve this...maybe. > Thoughts? I think this is a special situation which will be solved as soon as there is a 5.x -STABLE. Until then everybody should remember that one simply doesn't have to answer mails that get on one's nerves. Uli. > > -Cliff L. Biffle > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > +-----------------------------------+ | Peter Ulrich Kruppa | | - Wuppertal - | | Germany | +-----------------------------------+