From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 15:22:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007A4106566B; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:22:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6958FC0C; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o6HFMq7E088779; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:22:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:22:52 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Jerry In-Reply-To: <20100717120023.BD53710656DC@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20100718004558.P86988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20100717120023.BD53710656DC@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Carmel , Ashish SHUKLA , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GUI for AC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:22:56 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 10, Message: 18 On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:48:38 -0400 Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:04:56 +1000 (EST) > Ian Smith articulated: > > > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 9, Message: 24 > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:26:18 -0400 Jerry wrote: > > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:17:25 +0530 > > > Ashish SHUKLA articulated: > > > > > > > I've not used KDE since they released KDE 4, but IIRC, KDE 3.5.x used to have > > > > ACL support integrated in it[1] by default. Are you sure there isn't any such > > > > setting you probably missing during compilation in KDE 4.x ? > > > > > > > > References: > > > > [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/wahjava/507889368/#/ > > > > > > No really. You cannot add users or change individual user's permissions > > > via KDE's default file browser. Obviously, I can accomplish most of > > > what I want to do from the command line, abet more slowly and error > > > prone. > > > > Does that represent a regression in KDE4 from KDE3.5.x? Does anybody know if this is or is not the case with KDE4? > > > Having read up on a few Googled items, it appears that FreeBSD has not > > > matured sufficiently yet to allow full integration of ACLs. Supposedly, > > > 9.x will offer better integration. > > > > Integration with what? KDE? > > > > Perhaps I googled a little harder Jerry, but thanks to Robert Watson's > > TrustedBSD framework, FreeBSD has supported POSIX 1.e ACLs since 5.1 and > > NFSv4 ACLs in 8-STABLE for quite a while now; they'll be in 8.1-RELEASE > > for both UFS and ZFS filesystems. > > > > Maybe it's the predominantly Linux-centric KDE that has not yet matured > > sufficiently to include support for FreeBSD ACLs? As Carmel memtioned, > > the (as usual) excellent article by Dru Lavigne on using FreeBSD ACLs at > > http://onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/22/FreeBSD_Basics.html demonstrated > > using Gnome's Nautilus enhanced by the port sysutils/eiciel - in 2005. > > > > Among the many other useful results from googling 'FreeBSD ACLs': > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/NFSv4_ACLs > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/8.1TODO/ > > Per wiki: "support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX > draft that was abandoned". Let's have that quote from the wikipedia page in a little more context: "Most of the Unix and Unix-like operating systems (e.g. Linux,[1] BSD, or Solaris) support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX draft that was abandoned. Many of them, for example AIX, Mac OS X beginning with version 10.4 ("Tiger"), or Solaris with ZFS filesystem[2], support NFSv4 ACLs, which are part of the NFSv4 standard. FreeBSD 9-CURRENT supports NFSv4 ACLs on both UFS and ZFS file systems; full support is expected to be backported to version 8.1[3]. There is an experimental implementation of NFSv4 ACLs for Linux.[4]" > My original statement is still valid, FreeBSD has still not released a > stable version of its OS that fully supports the latest acl standards. Ignoring the fact that anyone running 8-STABLE has had these for a good while, yes, that will be true of FreeBSD -RELEASE versions for days or perhaps weeks yet, regarding the newer NFSv4 ACLs. Can you provide a link to where 'the latest ACL standards' are defined, and say which, if any, OS you consider 'fully integrated' with them? Thanks, Ian