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Date:      Thu, 6 Jan 2022 16:42:57 +0100
From:      Karel Gardas <gardask@gmail.com>
To:        Michael Schuster <michaelsprivate@gmail.com>
Cc:        FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Call for Foundation-supported Project Ideas
Message-ID:  <2b7022b7-2225-aa19-24fd-d60be9d30d0d@gmail.com>
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On 12/29/21 8:12 PM, Michael Schuster wrote:
> Hi Karel,
> 
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 19:32 Karel Gardas <gardask@gmail.com 
> <mailto:gardask@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     On 11/23/21 11:41 PM, Joseph Mingrone wrote:
>      > Hello FreeBSD community,
>      >
>      > The Foundation is seeking suggestions for new projects to
>     support.  What
>      > gaps in the Project are not being addressed by the broader community?
> 
>     sorry for being late with those:
> 
>     1) implement/port beadm equivalent from Solaris/IlumosOS? Make
>     freebsd-update process more reversible by using proper boot
>     environments
>     and using ZFS snapshots. 
> 
> 
> All of these have been in FreeBSD for quite a while - can't give you 
> dates or specifics (port vs "builtin"), but I've been using them since 
> at least 13.

Went ahead to properly verify the fact on fresh 13 install on ZFS root 
and no. The feature is not there yet. E.g.

- bectl is presented in 13-p0 - 13-p5
- freebsd-update does not contain any reference to bectl hence it cannot 
create snapshot on update on 13-p0 - 13-p5.

However, freebsd-update in 13-STABLE (source code) contains bectl bits 
to handle snapshoting on update as proposed for inclusion here: 
https://reviews.freebsd.org/D21892

So my conclusion is, perhaps with 13-p6 it'll be first time the feature 
will be user-visible and usable.

Sorry for nitpicking but needed to know that for sure.

Thanks,
Karel



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