From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 5 12:37:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1C416A40F for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avleeuwen@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401CD43D77 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:37:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from avleeuwen@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s16so667688wxc for ; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:37:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aUdNdVW7RSVW+gjJqw0BEpdMP05RNcvIRurTZ9kDcOnzOmKICb1/BQeH0dSyBS+XAdV/YlOX5cS6/mkv1iQ2tY3s4L8dL0+3gUSPNTrlqiSip8pbNkShmzPzOX6/NlOLsuL4fK5tBxH94ag/w/DVVE5HGHI0jEBUutRpwZQ7VdQ= Received: by 10.70.68.11 with SMTP id q11mr4099113wxa.1162730251458; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.123.11 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 04:37:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:37:31 +0100 From: "Arjan van Leeuwen" To: "current@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <20061103042116.GA50470@zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <454936CA.6060308@FreeBSD.org> <20061102115058.GB10961@rambler-co.ru> <20061102140948.GA70915@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> <20061102182419.GC774@rambler-co.ru> <454A60E9.7020303@FreeBSD.org> <20061102214157.GC2028@rambler-co.ru> <454A6B07.3090003@FreeBSD.org> <454A6E09.9080200@errno.com> <20061103042116.GA50470@zibbi.meraka.csir.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: libpthread shared library version number X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: avleeuwen@piwebs.com List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:37:40 -0000 2006/11/3, John Hay : > > > >>>> Hmm, bumping not versioned libraries *now* and not bumping them > > >>>> again at pre-release would work, but doing it without also bumping > > >>>> "to be versioned" libraries is IMO pointless. And if we bump all > > >>>> of them now, we'll have to bump some of them again when versioning > > >>>> is turned on by default. > > >>> No, we will not have to do it. Why would we? It's -CURRENT, so that > > >>> nobody really cares about backward/forward compatibility within that > > >>> branch. > > >>> > > >> I'd very much like NOT to have to recompile all of my installed > > >> ports on my -CURRENT boxes the day we turn on symbol versioning, > > >> and that will require the shlib major bump of those libs that > > >> will provide symbol versioning. If we do the bump now, we'll > > >> have to do it again later, and that's slightly against the rule > > >> that we only bump them once inside a branch. > > > > > > Repeat after me: *we won't have to do it* since we don't generally > care > > > whether or not one have to rebuild all or some of his packages in > > > current due to some ongoing changes. > > > > Doing stuff like this adds unnecessary burden to folks running HEAD. > > The result is fewer people will track the code and less testing will be > > done. Unless there's a valid reason for doing it separately it seems > > best to wait for a point where some other change goes in that requires > > users to update their ports. > > The flip side of the argument is that if you have compiled stuff in > current, you have the capabilty to do it again, so if the versions > were bumped early enough, you only influence the apps that you have > compiled, but keep on making it possible to run current and still > use apps that was compiled for older versions of FreeBSD. So you > make if possble for more people to run current even on there desktops > and get a lot more testing milage out of current. And I'd like to add that it makes life a lot easier for companies who distribute binaries for FreeBSD 6. We obviously can't start supplying binaries for -CURRENT, so it would be nice if it would at least be possible (maybe with some effort, but that is besides the point) to run the 6-STABLE binaries on -CURRENT, so that the important developers and early adopters who run -CURRENT can use our software. Arjan van Leeuwen Opera Software ASA