From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 03:14:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE2416A41F for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:14:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout1.cac.washington.edu (mxout1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.134]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B80813C44C for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 03:14:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9] (may be forged)) by mxout1.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.06) with ESMTP id l653EcLb007339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:14:39 -0700 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.10.45] (c-24-10-12-194.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.10.12.194]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.03) with ESMTP id l653EclP008395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:14:38 -0700 Message-ID: <468C6224.2090003@u.washington.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:14:44 -0700 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: perryh@pluto.rain.com References: <468c3375.7kSLbuENAWH+mQuo%perryh@pluto.rain.com> In-Reply-To: <468c3375.7kSLbuENAWH+mQuo%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.3.2.304607, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.1.298604, Antispam-Data: 2007.7.4.195832 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_SUBJ_9 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Cc: FreeBSD Questions , tedm@toybox.placo.com Subject: Re: The worst error message in history belongs to... BIND9! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 03:14:39 -0000 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >>> If one is going to require the installation of something that may >>> not be part of a base system, that something might as well be bash :) >>> >> Except that bash requires all the icky GNU utilities to build so you >> have to GNUify your system. >> > > And perl doesn't? It was GPL last I knew. > The entirety of Perl falls under the GPL and Artistic license at this time. Read the perl-porters archives for more debate on Perl licensing. >> The second you put in gmake, gmake requires >> iconv, readline and all the other nasty libraries, and from that point >> on if you build something you never know if it's going to link in to >> one of those libraries. >> ... >> This can cause major problems for commercial users. >> > > How? Last I heard, the *L*GPL only requires making the *library* > source available (and that only if the library has been modified). > It doesn't extend to the using application. > > >> I'd love for someone to modify the gmake port to have a variable >> you can set that would build all the GNUified dependency libraries, >> build and install gmake and statically link in all it's GNUified >> libraries, then remove all the GNUified libraries. >> > > Or, change all the gnu ports to install into something like > /usr/local/gnu or /usr/local/gpl instead of straight into > /usr/local. You'd still have the gnu libs when needed, but > without having them included in "normal" search paths. That would seriously muck up a lot of people's assumptions on locations for programs, and would be incredibly necessary. Plus it would make searching for programs in $PATH a slight bit more time consuming (on the order of milliseconds I know, but those milliseconds are the exact reason why I have to manually profile pkg_install to determine bottlenecks). Also, please don't muck up email addresses. It's not cool, by any means. -Garrett