From owner-freebsd-eclipse@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 30 00:12:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D48106566C for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:12:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 726738FC12 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:12:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: (qmail 60089 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2009 18:46:12 -0500 Received: from keira.kiwi-computer.com (HELO kiwi-computer.com) (63.224.10.3) by hamlet.setfilepointer.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2009 18:46:12 -0500 Received: (qmail 25289 invoked by uid 2001); 29 Jun 2009 23:46:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:46:11 -0500 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: Heiner =?iso-8859-1?Q?Strau=DF?= , Gerhard Schmidt Message-ID: <20090629234611.GB24986@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <200906290700.n5T70AQQ020741@freefall.freebsd.org> <1246272143.1356.19.camel@think.my.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1246272143.1356.19.camel@think.my.domain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports/133457: [PATCH] java/eclipse-webtools: update to 3.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd2008@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: "FreeBSD users of eclipse EDI, tools, rich client apps & ports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:12:54 -0000 On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:42:23PM +0200, Heiner Strauß wrote: > Am Montag, den 29.06.2009, 07:00 +0000 schrieb Gerhard Schmidt: > > > > Updates via eclipse updater are per user updates (stored in homedir of th= > > e > > User). The port is per Computer (stored in /usr/local). I maintain some > > Workstations with 200+ users. > > > > Please keep the Port. > > That's a point. But someone has to keep them in sync with eclipse, > testing and committing etc. If they are kept like now, they are adding > more confusion and no help I think. It took me hours to find out what > was wrong with them and how to fix :) Drop them or maintain. The actual > webtools are 3.0.4 already. Maybe for bigger installs we could have an > eclipse-plugin-mirror port or something, if you want a server centric > install. I disagree with the OP. You can drop the user-installed plugins directly into /usr/local/eclipse/ with a modicum of effort. You can network mount that directory to avoid updating every machine too. In fact you can even have multiple versions of eclipse installed and run side-by-side with a little effort. I've played with modifications to my /usr/local/bin/eclipse script to do just that. There's absolutely no reason we should have any eclipse-* ports since every one of them is obtainable through eclipse's plugin architecture and software updates screens. It's especially painful if there are multiple supported eclipse versions in the ports tree. I hope that the OP's not suggesting that we create thousands of ports, one for each of Eclipse's 1200+ plugins times each version of Eclipse. Even if he were to volunteer to be the maintainer for each, it seems silly to have the plugins as ports. Although there is some precedence with p5-* ports (instead of using CPAN exclusively). In fact I've had troubles with many of the fbsd ports but all of them seem to behave when I grab them with Eclipse's updater. -- Rick C. Petty