From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sun May 20 14:08:04 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E65EE1F37 for ; Sun, 20 May 2018 14:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from etnapierala@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BD2280627 for ; Sun, 20 May 2018 14:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from etnapierala@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id l1-v6so22456154wmb.2 for ; Sun, 20 May 2018 07:08:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to :references:mime-version:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=+/USCXXeiSqRHepoP2i/GfVA07bQeFSfEpUMhZ0DW8c=; b=HmuMAxcHo2LH4CW8IYYgOASXTeZ5RK8x4Jq//QjNad2bt0Rwvx6bFhNlxXnoUE0xhz 2kVwX/jig3A7PIsohOXswrp1hafNT2kfUC5sLqR2ZijdhpbpI0eWRg1zzCn/e5uQLfnB EOrvkymiZGWviCLjmtA0MwzeG25pOPd/2mlDvoWgQZhjTljSXGQEuHZcKRCzpgvX6c6m q3P46451Ew4qNClHYtZrJ08LSSSUrvy3kHewYJ9oMahdG7El6kJp6CfB/arPNC4y02h7 3wpfIiJgd/hA3MlfGv4kQe2mnJ8fjdUlM4ironbU1Yg2yyfIFpg/LYTTkeLUggSIftvb YCSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=+/USCXXeiSqRHepoP2i/GfVA07bQeFSfEpUMhZ0DW8c=; b=tQaSWjtVWI3FbOlPFRt61GYDsC9BOO3UhqpXspy4GYQkqYe4CNPLxD8o38pSSlskv4 aY6okluRhlOdDkoVwga3tFkpaPT/CHJv0KjLsSwADV1q42MqbyQ4YtYNqYyL4cMSbOGT CdLqlCNDTXjzLQctqRFljFnKtMEh224Dg/JYgrwD2/BDjqHPDHK/QOwMRrsemn7mQedf emB/oEBu1u5nNwyQ2dkXyBLeO4ItuuVJHJJVV5FhPKLzyaJrOl7+X4DNTyO5EiwmzCUI ElQLRkk+ANP27M7TjcbbuLN5V9U/Zq6jxgsmQgMfdvDzub4hbsSxG8EInxxmmXZm44HV mJEw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwc6Ym+0eVuME8k0W+204JjsVeSnzNw0OG+VwteVBUjHgCGxmsi6 WSo1AM6dB+P8GVYUpee+su7hiw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZpUoSbI/7Ycdz+cAsuZB875fsdyssNMC54jUt2olCksSOnoZ9yEx4wwUPsuA6VqCz3ref91nA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:168c:: with SMTP id 134-v6mr8654691wmw.53.1526825282861; Sun, 20 May 2018 07:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brick (cpc92302-cmbg19-2-0-cust461.5-4.cable.virginm.net. [82.1.209.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z2-v6sm10920687wmg.46.2018.05.20.07.08.01 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 20 May 2018 07:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: =?UTF-8?Q?Edward_Tomasz_Napiera=C5=82a?= Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 15:08:00 +0100 From: Edward Tomasz =?utf-8?Q?Napiera=C5=82a?= To: Harry Schmalzbauer Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: removable storage usability, devd, hald and X11-desktop in general Message-ID: <20180520140800.GA6371@brick> Mail-Followup-To: Harry Schmalzbauer , freebsd-stable References: <5beffba2-d2d5-689a-9cb1-054379f55adf@omnilan.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5beffba2-d2d5-689a-9cb1-054379f55adf@omnilan.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.5 (2018-04-13) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 14:08:04 -0000 On 0519T2035, Harry Schmalzbauer wrote: > Hello, > > after 10 years I replaced my personal desktop machine (FreeBSD8 -> > FreeBSD12). > While aware of OS progress, I haven't followed any development on the > X11 planet. > > To my surprise, things were in better shape 10 years ago, regarding > desktop usability. > > Biggest question: How are useres expected to handle removable media? > > I'm a happy user of autofs(5) in several environments (mostly for NFS > mounts), but I'm not aware of any helper tool which enables _users_ to > unmount before pulling the UFD. > I've heard of PC-BSD and Lumina (see later why I haven't really tried > out the modern "light" desktops) and I think I remember having read they > utilize devd(8).  But again, how to unmount? Me, I just use three second timeout for autounmountd, like this: autounmountd_flags="-t 3 -r 3".