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Date:      Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:49:02 -0500 (EST)
From:      Chuck Robey <chuckr@glue.umd.edu>
To:        Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
Cc:        wollman@lcs.mit.edu, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: streams
Message-ID:  <Pine.SUN.3.91.960120164217.2896A-100000@cappuccino.eng.umd.edu>
In-Reply-To: <199601202109.OAA12171@phaeton.artisoft.com>

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On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, Terry Lambert wrote:

> > > It is well-known to be disadvantageous to actually /use/ streams.
> > 
> > Garrett, I originated this stream, asking Mike Smith if he knew of any 
> > streams-negativisms.  Sounds like you do, would you care to amplify?  I'm 
> > really curious, because they seem like (to me) an analog to stackable 
> > filesystems, for character io.  Why not?
> 
> Garrett will probably answer too, but your analogy fails.

Terry, I lifted that analogy from Heidemann's paper, where he draws it.  
He's the author of stackable FSs.  Besides, I think you take the analogy 
too far; any analogy, if taken far enough, fails.

>From Garrett's comments and yours, and they make sense, using streams for 
a basis of networking is _bad_.  OK, but if I was proposing a streams 
interface for character io only (maybe including ppp), would your 
comments still be accurate?

[comments regarding using streams for networking deleted]
> 
> So the primary utility for streams is for use of stack drivers from
> commercial sources and for the simplified developement environment
> (justified if you consider Streams stacks to be prototypes rather
> than production code.
> 
> 
> 					Terry Lambert
> 					terry@lambert.org
> ---
> Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
> or previous employers.
> 

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