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Date:      Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:26:56 +0200
From:      =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marius_N=FCnnerich?= <marius@nuenneri.ch>
To:        Attilio Rao <attilio@freebsd.org>
Cc:        hackers@freebsd.org, Fabio Checconi <fabio@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: sx locks and memory barriers
Message-ID:  <b649e5e0909291326o6faa090epd5e1d32da1d73f80@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 21:15, Attilio Rao <attilio@freebsd.org> wrote:
> 2009/9/29 John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>:
>> On Tuesday 29 September 2009 11:39:37 am Attilio Rao wrote:
>>> 2009/9/25 Fabio Checconi <fabio@freebsd.org>:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> > =A0looking at sys/sx.h I have some troubles understanding this commen=
t:
>>> >
>>> > =A0* A note about memory barriers. =A0Exclusive locks need to use the=
 same
>>> > =A0* memory barriers as mutexes: _acq when acquiring an exclusive loc=
k
>>> > =A0* and _rel when releasing an exclusive lock. =A0On the other side,
>>> > =A0* shared lock needs to use an _acq barrier when acquiring the lock
>>> > =A0* but, since they don't update any locked data, no memory barrier =
is
>>> > =A0* needed when releasing a shared lock.
>>> >
>>> > In particular, I'm not understanding what prevents the following sequ=
ence
>>> > from happening:
>>> >
>>> > CPU A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 CPU B
>>> >
>>> > sx_slock(&data->lock);
>>> >
>>> > sx_sunlock(&data->lock);
>>> >
>>> > /* reordered after the unlock
>>> > =A0 by the cpu */
>>> > if (data->buffer)
>>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0sx_xlock(&data->lock);
>>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0free(data->buffer);
>>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0data->buffer =3D NULL;
>>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0sx_xunlock(&data->lock);
>>> >
>>> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0a =3D *data->buffer;
>>> >
>>> > IOW, even if readers do not modify the data protected by the lock,
>>> > without a release barrier a memory access may leak past the unlock (a=
s
>>> > the cpu won't notice any dependency between the unlock and the fetch,
>>> > feeling free to reorder them), thus potentially racing with an exclus=
ive
>>> > writer accessing the data.
>>> >
>>> > On architectures where atomic ops serialize memory accesses this woul=
d
>>> > never happen, otherwise the sequence above seems possible; am I missi=
ng
>>> > something?
>>>
>>> I think your concerns are right, possibly we need this patch:
>>> http://www.freebsd.org/~attilio/sxrw_unlockb.diff
>>
>> Actually, since you are only worried about reads, I think this should be
>> an "acq" barrier rather than a "rel". =A0In some cases "acq" is cheaper,=
 so we
>> should prefer the cheapest barrier that provides what we need. =A0You wo=
uld
>> still need to keep some language about the memory barriers since using "=
acq"
>> for shared unlocking is different from exclusive unlocking.
>
> Actually, I don't think that an acq barrier ensures enough protection
> against the reordering of 'earlier' operation thus not fixing the
> architecture ordering problem reported by Fabio. Also, I don't think
> we just have to care about reads (or =A0I don't understand what you mean
> here).
> However, I'm not even sure that we have faster read barriers than the
> write one. As long as it should be true in theory I don't think that's
> what happen in practice.
>
>> The memory clobber is quite heavyweight. =A0It actually forces gcc to fo=
rget any
>> cached memory items in registers and reload everything again. =A0What I =
really
>> want is just a barrier to tell GCC to not reorder things. =A0If I read a=
 value
>> in the program before acquiring a lock it is in theory fine to keep that
>> cached across the barrier. =A0However, there isn't a way to do this sort=
 of
>> thing with GCC currently.
>
> Yes, that's the only tool we have right now with GCC. I will try to
> look for another way, but it sounds difficult to discover.

Even if we would have a mechanism to tell GCC to not reorder the
instructions the CPU itself would still be free to reorder if there
are no barriers. Or am I missing something?



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