From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 8 22:26:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE27AC1 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 22:26:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: from smtp.pobox.com (b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com [208.72.237.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354071CA6 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 22:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9EE2FF1D; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 22:25:58 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=date :message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=mbGOWHKWjs6U5GGyjgwdW3xGfys=; b=TThC0wwvSjDRZvOMJDgWhS+sW6v4 U56vwWhV93A15cKVxsdeqEeQREnrCKRv7ZHpmpSI06jRQoL01T2iDs9PjBDId1ci lAoKJpzId2S/fSpVN1C7IiAQ2TDarHOOR7w8SeeUYsU6a5k1JfGy6rtSaz1ZsRaF fjUP2ezpB7A+J/8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=date:message-id :from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=sasl; b=UfZDxR eIZW00yHnE074DkD3BE3Ll50QpQnegj5D1kX3zoWyTtkwSpJEpEuwDxrD/+dTq6z au38vp2NEX72PmNWZ0rRzdp+MdjuFJZOGCdZFCEnTMQR0bRepJulgMy2PFtIXVQx MmfthLzeJ5HjnSdn1X++TWv1sN+j+qPMckPgM= Received: from b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932C92FF1C; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 22:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bmach.nederware.nl (unknown [27.252.169.66]) by b-sasl-quonix.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A96702FF1A; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 22:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from quadrio.nederware.nl (quadrio.nederware.nl [192.168.33.13]) by bmach.nederware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59645C55; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:25:50 +1200 (NZST) Received: from quadrio.nederware.nl (quadrio.nederware.nl [127.0.0.1]) by quadrio.nederware.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C20649FB97A; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:25:55 +1200 (NZST) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:25:55 +1200 Message-ID: <87wqp0zo24.wl%berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: Jeremy Chadwick Subject: Re: EBS snapshot backups from a FreeBSD zfs file system: zpool freeze? In-Reply-To: <20130708210145.GA89605@icarus.home.lan> References: <87ehbg5raq.wl%berend@pobox.com> <20130703055047.GA54853@icarus.home.lan> <6488DECC-2455-4E92-B432-C39490D18484@dragondata.com> <14A2336A-969C-4A13-9EFA-C0C42A12039F@hostpoint.ch> <87zjty11gn.wl%berend@pobox.com> <41CC5720-B1EA-4841-8BA5-893F4A628EAD@hostpoint.ch> <877gh024vy.wl%berend@pobox.com> <20130708210145.GA89605@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/24.3 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Xplain Technology Ltd MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="pgp-sign-Multipart_Tue_Jul__9_10:25:54_2013-1"; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 5C6F6F94-E81D-11E2-8762-E84251E3A03C-48001098!b-pb-sasl-quonix.pobox.com Cc: freebsd-fs X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 22:26:07 -0000 --pgp-sign-Multipart_Tue_Jul__9_10:25:54_2013-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>>> "Jeremy" == Jeremy Chadwick writes: Jeremy> Therefore, the answer/solution for you at this stage seems Jeremy> to be: use Linux. Linux does what you need -- it offers Jeremy> you guest-level utilities that interface with the Jeremy> proprietary storage system back-end (EBS) that is offered Jeremy> by your choice of hosting vendor (Amazon). Ding dong, nothing to do with guest level utilities. Completely irrelevant, and I've repeated that numerous times here. All Amazon's guest level tools work perfectly fine on FreeBSD. Amazon has ZERO Linux/Windows/FreeBSD/whatever specific stuff. Jeremy> There is absolutely no shame in any way/shape/form in Jeremy> using an OS that meets your needs/requirements. And that's why I'm trying to use FreeBSD as it has features that Linux doesn't have. Trust me, if Linux had everything FreeBSD has, why would I use FreeBSD? It's even more expensive on AWS! Jeremy> EBS is a closed, black-box-proprietary thing. Ding dong, it's just block storage like every other block storage out there. Sigh. I fail to see that mentioning something Linux can do on this mailing list would upset you? 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