From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 18:38:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2757316A4CF; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D383C43F93; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hAJ2c1iF096142; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hAJ2c1b4096141; Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:38:01 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200311190238.hAJ2c1b4096141@apollo.backplane.com> To: Scott Long References: <200311182307.hAIN7Wpm000717@dyson.jdyson.com> <20031118182148.P35215@pooker.samsco.home> cc: dyson@iquest.net cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Colin Percival Subject: Re: Unfortunate dynamic linking for everything X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:38:03 -0000 :> :> As far as I'm concerned, this is a non-issue. Identifying which static :> binaries need to be replaced is now a solved problem, replacing them is :> easy, and if binary patches are used, there is effectively no impact on :> bandwidth usage either. : :Bandwidth is still a concern for a lot of people, and this has the :potential to save significant bandwidth in many situations. :.. :Scott I would not consider this a viable argument since binary downloads are usually compressed. A compressed /bin stacks up as follows (from 4.x): -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 4034560 Nov 18 18:34 /tmp/x1.tar static -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 849920 Nov 18 18:34 /tmp/x2.tar dynamic -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1860215 Nov 18 18:34 /tmp/x1.tgz static -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 354576 Nov 18 18:34 /tmp/x2.tgz dynamic So you are talking about 1.5 MBytes less bandwidth, which is nothing compared to the cost of doing a full install over the net. Yah, yah, /sbin too... but you get the idea. It certainly isn't enough of a difference to justify going to a dynamic /bin and /sbin. I'm not saying there aren't other arguments, just that this isn't one of them. -Matt Matthew Dillon