From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 17 16:34:42 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35EB1065679 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:34:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 76D0C8FC0A for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20933 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2010 16:34:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2010 16:34:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=Mawsr0jQQZf62Z/JzPH6fKy6JzVpnzJnGZxAiguiVJderWiY81eiU7rM1udtmZQHNADTh2qY2WNqY2iySpnBRNqNYLt62Ipqnow82tE9F6B0jZv6s0MHw5CFRHwq7OfH; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaALY-0000aV-M1 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:34:41 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:33:10 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:33:10 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100717163310.GB52066@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20100717120023.BD53710656DC@hub.freebsd.org> <20100718004558.P86988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100718004558.P86988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: GUI for AC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:34:42 -0000 --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 01:22:52AM +1000, Ian Smith wrote: > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 10, Message: 18 > On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:48:38 -0400 Jerry wro= te: > >=20 > > Per wiki: "support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX > > draft that was abandoned". >=20 > Let's have that quote from the wikipedia page in a little more context: >=20 > "Most of the Unix and Unix-like operating systems (e.g. Linux,[1] BSD, or= =20 > Solaris) support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX draft= =20 > that was abandoned. Many of them, for example AIX, Mac OS X beginning=20 > with version 10.4 ("Tiger"), or Solaris with ZFS filesystem[2], support= =20 > NFSv4 ACLs, which are part of the NFSv4 standard. FreeBSD 9-CURRENT=20 > supports NFSv4 ACLs on both UFS and ZFS file systems; full support is=20 > expected to be backported to version 8.1[3]. There is an experimental=20 > implementation of NFSv4 ACLs for Linux.[4]" >=20 > > My original statement is still valid, FreeBSD has still not released a > > stable version of its OS that fully supports the latest acl standards. >=20 > Ignoring the fact that anyone running 8-STABLE has had these for a good= =20 > while, yes, that will be true of FreeBSD -RELEASE versions for days or=20 > perhaps weeks yet, regarding the newer NFSv4 ACLs. >=20 > Can you provide a link to where 'the latest ACL standards' are defined,= =20 > and say which, if any, OS you consider 'fully integrated' with them? I don't think Jerry will be able to do so, because there is no set of "latest ACL standards" defined. The closest thing to an actual standard outside of the NFS standard is the abandoned standard for POSIX.1e ACLs, so far as I'm aware. Meanwhile, for Linux-based systems, there is also only an experimental implementation of the NFSv4 ACLs (as your quote points out). Perhaps Jerry thinks that AIX, MacOS X, or Solaris is The Best Unix, or perhaps he simply is not aware of the actual state of things in the world of ACLs. I suppose it's possible that I'm ignorant of some important detail, instead. If so, I hope someone will educate me on the subject. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkxB20YACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWHLwCfXVJjWJGj1OPrcApZ716wDUQl I2AAoJWV17e4EWxXEj2nvTIp+jID5kOC =Kg/X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD--