From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 13:48:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC13E16A418 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF9F13C458 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:48:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JUF00AC6L192LY0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m0ADmiXD090920; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:48:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:48:44 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <86y7axhjzm.fsf@ds4.des.no> To: =?UTF-8?B?RGFnLUVybGluZyBTbcO4cmdyYXY=?= Message-id: <4786223C.2040302@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 References: <88854.1199953554@critter.freebsd.dk> <4785D9CB.5080909@gmail.com> <4785E8A0.30806@gmail.com> <20080110110052.GB10155@freebie.xs4all.nl> <4786058F.8080101@gmail.com> <86y7axhjzm.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080104) Cc: Wilko Bulte , Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Dominic Fandrey Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:48:50 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > "Aryeh M. Friedman" writes: >> One thing that FOSS (BSD or GPL) has historical had issues doing >> cleanly is seperating free software from free beer. The first >> being a very important goal and the second a unfair side effect >> of thinking that open source by definition means free use of the >> products. > > Speak for yourself. > >> Yes the source should be avaible to everyone but as far I can >> tell that does not automatically and should not translate into >> not having some responibility to the community that created the >> project in the first place.... my approach (along with 3 other >> small software vendors) is to have a requirement to contribute >> back to the community in some form (in work or help support those >> doing the work), namely it is free software but not free beer. > > Excellent idea, if your goal is to kill the project. Now to really get some flames... I think the fall of the USSR proves you wrong on that.... namely small groups can afford to do stuff this way but not large and critical projects > > DES - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems, Java Developer Tools. http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly. "Free software != Free beer" Blog: http://www.flosoft-systems.com/flosoft_systems_community/blogs/aryeh/index.php -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHhiI8jRvRjGmHRgQRAp4xAKCgQPMiyhNyDqDQ53yXl8Kzg6kIhQCeLtgJ XbxexdVWAwJq8ZdRSt4R0Cg= =y2V0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----