From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 3 13:52:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF5F7DDB for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2014 13:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7284EF13 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2014 13:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s33DqBh2080752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Apr 2014 07:52:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.8/8.14.8/Submit) with ESMTP id s33DqBjq080749; Thu, 3 Apr 2014 07:52:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 07:52:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Torbjorn Granlund Subject: Re: Downplaying a serious issue In-Reply-To: <86sipu7py7.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> Message-ID: References: <861txffcgh.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> <86sipu7py7.fsf@shell.gmplib.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 03 Apr 2014 07:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:52:13 -0000 On Thu, 3 Apr 2014, Torbjorn Granlund wrote: > Warren Block writes: > > Do we? What should it say? Please be specific, preferably in the > form of a PR. Is this really a doc problem? > > Full disclosure. Don't downplay. Both the scope and the gravity of the > issue is grossly downplayed here I asked for specifics. "Grossly" is subjective. What information should be given? What specific configuration and situation fails, and in what way? > The truth is that FreeBSD/i386 10 is completely unusable under all three > major type 1 virtualisers. It should not be used, or one will cause > data loss. Please post evidence of that. > It might be embarrasing to fess up about bugs, but downplaying serious > issues make people lose confidence. Which is worst? I pointed out before that accusing us of things will not produce good results. If you want to discuss concerns politely, without assuming the worst of us, I'm interested in that. Otherwise, I'm going to use my time elsewhere.