From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Sep 1 02:21:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E773D7A11 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 02:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c2c:26d8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BgW5q3sGhz4V4h for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 02:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (eg.sd.rdtc.ru [IPv6:2a03:3100:c:13:0:0:0:5]) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 0812L2EH077268 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 1 Sep 2020 02:21:06 GMT (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: freebsd-stable@lists.invis.net Received: from [10.58.0.10] (dadvw [10.58.0.10]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 0812L6gU026783 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:21:06 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: Cannot find announcement that min supported i386 CPU is now i686 To: Charles Lecklider , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4460db23-9a29-7972-1b41-74585764a5d7@lists.invis.net> <20200831205136.GA15141@elch.exwg.net> <2986c4ef-6e73-50f9-215e-20e8a9793434@lists.invis.net> From: Eugene Grosbein Message-ID: <6bd2c4f6-5ce1-5a0d-14b3-71831a0443f4@grosbein.net> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 09:20:58 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2986c4ef-6e73-50f9-215e-20e8a9793434@lists.invis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOCAL_FROM, NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Report: * -2.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record * 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record * 2.6 LOCAL_FROM From my domains * -0.2 NICE_REPLY_A Looks like a legit reply (A) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on hz.grosbein.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BgW5q3sGhz4V4h X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=permerror (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eugen@grosbein.net uses mechanism not recognized by this client) smtp.mailfrom=eugen@grosbein.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.64 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[eugen]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.992]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[grosbein.net]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_PERMFAIL(0.00)[empty SPF record]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.56)[-0.561]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 02:21:21 -0000 01.09.2020 6:50, Charles Lecklider via freebsd-stable wrote: > On 2020-08-31 21:51, Christoph Moench-Tegeder wrote: >> Given that the hardware notes >> https://www.freebsd.org/releases/11.4R/hardware.html#proc-i386 >> explicitely claim 80486 compatibility, I'd guess this was not a >> consciuous decision but a blunder which wasn't caught > > Hmm.... I'd assumed that each release was at least *booted* on a real > 486, but obviously not. > >> (perhaps as >> hardware of that vintage is getting rare these days. That box >> must be old enough to buy alcohol by now?). > > Yes, I first built it in 1998 IIRC; it ran Windows for a few years > (desktop, gaming) then FreeBSD from about 2002. It's been in nearly > continuous operation since, although I did have to replace the PSU last > year ;-) Just for the record, I still run AMD Geode-based FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE as my home WiFi Access Point. This fanless system has 500Mhz 32-bit only i586-class CPU, 1GB RAM (no swap), two 100M wired NICs vr0/vr1 onboard and Atheros 5212 ath0 wireless mini-PCI card (not PCI-E) that supports multiple WLANs. It has CompactFlash slot for ada0 occupied with 16GB CF card at boot device (nanobsd, r/o mounted) plus ada1 2.5" PATA HDD WDC WD2500BEVE (250G) as additional storage. Until recently is also served as PPPoE client (mpd5 kernel level) for uplink with ipfw nat being able to saturate 100MBit/s uplink connection despite of NAT+PPPoE overhead. CPU: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS (499.91-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x5a2 Family=0x5 Model=0xa Stepping=2 Features=0x88a93d AMD Features=0xc0400000 Of course, its NanoBSD image is built with CPUTYPE=i586 as well as installed packages.