From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 11 15:51:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2D3337825 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:51:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic309-24.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic309-24.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.179.82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49jSyP3YbGz3gQT for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: FLR5LTMVM1mjTem4mzL4vAqGGifY7ADl6SwQv0LFHXEJz4VarZbrAXDlWtdCfx8 qd9J490VUorFG7LMwbu37.ZMlzaxGBqTm3o0aZnSbuuxHC.VW.o2SGX9Vrl1PSLV6jV__A3N5z1z iwieQkLJo0zkbMO7X1Yt2f9T4msxEdweAgYhzoa2pemntzOh2czyZRuCuAoz1bKKf2OjxxHsL6bi 7Xv.AdyexzndTDU3bQIw4WQ200AHOQK0op.cqNpIjimgxWxi7xzfGqgL71bnRIaYO5la2vU.mfbX _ZRTr5hjCjSzGUQ_Wg4XLeYxO_jq_D8xauLpB7gkdwtzszSv8gF.ClkvunxDhJzQ7ciDd_gjU_x. _ZU_d8RUXdKqPDTbLUfsgiKAAjydRfDvYHbVjgFJy.KRURJzp8rhtKfM3LMJfPv.FtSZ8u6Y30k. fSSkXT6KLKfuYpRWKPwISVH1NjxNlor_3.IgcNY4DaUKD8PO1Sfx2ZheFA5LmfiE0D3rWV9IQIYH pJeKgN6ZBBx9iZ9XhZ.F7VSsekGs3fTWYgHogsY6MbYhnyWYBY1UVibFaARpkpsJh.4chZu1FskL j0t0ndirp6NxcDyJF9183TX5BKl_N79bJjyMEzY3n8DC2njBxOQWofcHz6QBjM..AcKiEJKKfz0. 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If somebody wants help, it's useful to help other to provide help. If the conversation is unfavourably formatted and/or if code, logs etc. are unfavourably formatted, it becomes harder and more time consuming to provide help. The easier it is to understand a request and the follow-ups regarding an issue, the more likely it is, that a subscriber gets _useful_ help to solve an issue. Keep in mind that support of proprietary operating systems usually answers with pre-formulated messages, such as a link to the FAQ, to restart the computer, to remove and reinstall an app, IOW with measures that are most of the times completely useless, that don't provide any help at all.