From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Nov 18 00:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00997 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00964 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:14:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.58.93]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA291A; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:14:26 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <918.911344441@axl.training.iafrica.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:19:06 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: Heads up file Cc: Jason Fesler , FreeBSD Documentation Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Nov-98 Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I'm taking this off-list, as it's contributing nothing new, really. Alright, or place it in chat. > On Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:06:16 PST, Jason Fesler wrote: > >> .. Which is noisy beyond believe at times - signal to noise ratio is >> pretty bad pretty often. > > You've already said that. So have many people before. It's almost insane > how much of the noise is people complaining about the noise. :-) So shouldn't that ring a bell? =) >> I'd certainly be willing to offer this help but I'm only able to commit to >> once or twice a day 6 days a week. I secondly don't have CVS access in >> order to >> maintain it. I would be willing to contribute to it to... > Please don't take offense, but I doubt that you have the > FreeBSD-specific experience to offer this service effectively. I don't > either, for that matter. It requires someone who knows how stuff fits > together and foresee X breaking Y. Such people have limited time, > generally better spent working on the operating system itself. :-) I know I haven't got all the experience yet... And as long as I am not one of the `elite' (meant in a good way) programmers of the project I am donating time to the doc project. I have already started on an Ethernet Guide and will soon write some more newbie entry level guides. > For now, I honestly suggest that all people like you and me can do is > contribute to the effort to reduce noise on the list. ;-) The total point is, much of the caveats that lurk in STABLE or CURRENT (with CURRENT being a more prone target) is that there are too many resources to verify if a given problem could be fast cross checked against a file such as Jason suggested. Why is the Linux How-To/Documentation project so big? I am also not suggesting that we should spoonfeed every god-given command. Also, I can see that file being a valuable resource for the whole FreeBSD community as means of a reference point (ever thought about people cvsupping from 2.2.x to 3.0? They haven't been monitoring current) and as a file in which global changes are very easy to track. And yes _I_ read cvs-all, but do others? We simply IMO cannot expect everyone who is wanting to try CURRENT to monitor current or cvs-*. --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message