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( [217.206.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e13sm8833285qba.2007.05.10.06.57.47; Thu, 10 May 2007 06:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Evans To: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: <4642A7F9.8070707@u.washington.edu> References: <20070509220908.GA50232@thought.org> <20070509230946.GA50585@thought.org> <20070510013453.GA52298@thought.org> <5CA2CC6B-72B6-46A1-9712-E258CFB4EB11@gmail.com> <4642A7F9.8070707@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-bJ8wDWbFevoy8ohyEkil" Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 14:57:45 +0100 Message-Id: <1178805465.1231.33.camel@zoot.mintel.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: Eric Crist , Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: WOW! {Or Holy whatever} X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:57:50 -0000 --=-bJ8wDWbFevoy8ohyEkil Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 22:04 -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > Eric Crist wrote: > > On May 9, 2007, at 8:34 PMMay 9, 2007, Gary Kline wrote: > >=20 > >> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:18:52PM -0500, Eric Crist wrote: > >>> > >>> Gary, > >>> > >>> Most cards that might come with DVI output instead of the standard > >>> VGA output usually include at least one DVI-VGA adapter, an > >>> additional one could be purchased at most computer retailers or your > >>> local Radio Shack. > >>> > >>> HTH > >> > >> > >> It does help, thanks, Eric. I may have missed the cord adaptor > >> that was stuck in the box. Need help to open/check. Meanwhile, > >> I need to look at the specs for this Dell 8200 to see what kind > >> of card is in there. What's there is a jack with two rows of > >> sockets. I'm guessing this is the standard Dell "DVI" connector, > >> yes, no, other? :-) > >> > >> Also, in your opinion, since I'm not a gamer and just want to > >> display at extreme most 1600x1200, do I need anything seriously > >> upscale? I've seen and skipped past lots of questions about lots > >> of drivers. So let's say that I went totally ape and bought some > >> AGP card with 256M of memory:: do we have a driveer for those > >> kinds of very high end cards? > >> > >> thanks again, > >> > >> gary > >> > >> PS: Does anybody know of a website that 'splains VGA, SVGA, > >> EVGA, and all the rest? I've been seriously guilty of being > >> lazy; I'm fessing up! .... > >=20 > >=20 > > Gary, > >=20 > > A DVI connector has 3 rows of 8 pins and a set of 4 hole is a box shape= =20 > > next to it: > >=20 > > +------------------------+ > > | o o o o o o o o o|o | > > | o o o o o o o o --+-- | > > \ o o o o o o o o o|o / > > +--------------------+ > >=20 > > There's also a mini-DVI format that's kinda like this: > >=20 > > +-----------------+ > > | o o o o o o o o|| > > | o o o o o o o o|| > > `---------------' > >=20 > > I'm sure you know what a VGA connector looks like, so I won't draw that= =20 > > for you. ;) > >=20 > > At work, we're using the GeForce 7600 GS AGP cards, which have 256MB of= =20 > > RAM and dual DVI output. We're using the FreeBSD Binary driver=20 > > (available in ports) and running dual monitors with full Open GL suppor= t=20 > > pretty seamlessly. I'd recommend that setup to anyone. It's a feature= =20 > > called Twinview which allows your desktop to span multiple monitors, an= d=20 > > most programs that support xinerama(sp?) are 'aware' of the physical=20 > > border between monitors, so you don't end up with windows popping up=20 > > spanning both monitors. (i.e. maximize doesn't cross both monitors, jus= t=20 > > one). > >=20 > > HTH > >=20 > > Eric Crist >=20 > Eric, > That's one flavor of DVI; memory serves me correctly there were 2:=20 > I-DVI and some other kind (I think the one you have pictured above is=20 > I-DVI). > I gave my old box to Gary, it's an HDMI ATI 7000 series card, and the=20 > card has an HDMI to Dual VGA plug along with it. I forgot that all the=20 > items were still in the box (did that to ensure that everything was put=20 > in the box and made it through shipping all right). > Anyhow, getting back to the video thing at hand, if Gary was to=20 > purchase a card he should purchase an nVidia card. It's the only brand=20 > with OpenGL support properly enabled in Linux and FreeBSD. 5000-6000=20 > series would be sufficient. > -Garrett DVI comes in 3 (almost 4) flavours, DVI-D (digital data only), DVI-A (Analogue data only) and DVI-I (Integrated, both analogue and digital). The almost flavour is DVI-D dual-link, which carries more data than DVI-D (twice as much, who'd-a-thunk..) DVI cables can be any of the three types, the difference being which pins are hooked up. Most cables support the full pin-out, and therefore all the flavours. All graphics cards these days output either DVI-D dual-link, or DVI-I, depending upon the resolution you ask the graphics card to display. DVI-I can be converted to a VGA DSUB using a simple dongle. Any card that comes with a DVI port also comes with the dongle. I'd also recommend an nvidia card. The amount of memory available on a card limits the amount of 3D textures that can be loaded onto the card. If you aren't worried about gaming or 3D, then even a 32MB card should be able to handle two double buffered 1600x1200 displays. A 128 MB card will perform the same as the equivalent 256 MB card (or 384/512 MB, or even some cards now with 640 MB). Cheers Tom --=-bJ8wDWbFevoy8ohyEkil Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBGQyTVlcRvFfyds/cRAg6oAJ0eNH8WUO/MIyJYwotCCjzNQ4zqOQCgu9PC mQpz8k312Fbcx/Qxp1INjO4= =aTp6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-bJ8wDWbFevoy8ohyEkil--