From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 16 13:38:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111FA16A492 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gdt@ir.bbn.com) Received: from fnord.ir.bbn.com (fnord.ir.bbn.com [192.1.100.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F5A43D4C for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:38:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gdt@ir.bbn.com) Received: by fnord.ir.bbn.com (Postfix, from userid 10853) id D669B5287; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:38:06 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Troxel To: netbsd-help@NetBSD.org References: <8a0028260611141810x4ab26d9aq9fc4d3197d91288@mail.gmail.com> <20061115040452.GS2087@main.mathisen.org> <20061115192535.GA5917@desktop.canwest.victoria.bc.ca> X-Hashcash: 1:20:061116:freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org::Fow6NhYqdPCWKI63:000000000000000000000000000000000000Lq0 X-Hashcash: 1:20:061116:netbsd-help@netbsd.org::/K9lbdmmZGbup/X6:0000000000000000000000000000000000000001TZ1 X-Hashcash: 1:20:061116:misc@openbsd.org::zhxW/MdNRSQZJ0yg:01b56 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:38:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20061115192535.GA5917@desktop.canwest.victoria.bc.ca> (David Chapman's message of "Wed\, 15 Nov 2006 11\:25\:35 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD laptop X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:38:08 -0000 Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with Lenovo or ThinkPad laptops? On most Thinkpads (Lenovo or IBM - I have seen no real changes), BSD runs fine. I or friends have had good experiences with 760ED 600 600E T22 T30 T42 T43(p) X31 R51 I know have a T60, and it is basically ok under NetBSD current, with minor annoyances no ACPI suspend (NetBSD) (T60 has no apm support) ATI graphics not supported by X, so using vesa driver, which works intel gige chipset PHY a bit odd, but I think that's being fixed. Works fine at gige, ok at 10 Mb/s after forcing, lame at 100. of course the winmodem doesn't work disk controller "AHCI" not supported, set in BIOS to 'legacy' and it looks like PIIX and works fine. after exiting X or switching back to text console, it's in some large font that lets me see only the upper left corner of the screen. switching to external display audio works, but is a bit funny - azalia(4) support is still improving. Not sure if mic is ok, but someone just gave me hints. So dual CPUs, disk, DVD drive, atheros wireless, USB, all work fine. Order it with atheros ("IBM a/b/g") instead of Intel. While the above sounds negative, I'm glad I got it. I expect the X60 is similar. I have one at work and should try again - NetBSD current is a lot better on X60/T60 now than it was last spring when I last tried the X60. I don't know anything about the low-end non-thinkpad lenovo line. I would not conclude that they are as nice as thinkpads compat-wise, but I also don't have any particular reason to think they are trouble - just never tried and appears to be different lineage. Lenovo/Thinkpad service is still great. I bought 9 T43p systems and have had some fan failures (but these machines have a demanding work environment). The normal repair is still call, explain (day 1), have mailer arrive, send back (day 2), fixed (day 3), fixed unit arrive (day 4).