From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 16 20:18:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016A62FC464 for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49Pc6K2wPpz3yZT for ; Sat, 16 May 2020 20:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49Pc6J49Bfz2fjW7; Sat, 16 May 2020 13:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 12.0 end-of-life From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 13:18:16 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2F483113-2B65-4F95-9B7F-AC94F06795A5@mail.sermon-archive.info> References: <20200217231452.717FA1E820@freefall.freebsd.org> <85E7C97E-EF8B-4FC7-8EF1-758B7BCBAE90@kreme.com> <05112EEC-7FA3-4E18-974B-263A58058E01@kicp.uchicago.edu> <332714B8-2798-42CF-A082-9EDA180CC65B@kreme.com> <20200516201923.8676289a.freebsd@edvax.de> <257EF587-92B5-4671-B6F4-89E86CC2ACA0@kreme.com> To: "@lbutlr" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Pc6K2wPpz3yZT X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.47)[-0.475,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(0.05)[asn: 5650(0.30), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.924,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=JQVm=66=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 20:18:18 -0000 > On 16 May 2020, at 11:56, @lbutlr wrote: >=20 > On 16 May 2020, at 12:19, Polytropon wrote: >> And it runs and runs and runs and runs. Older hardware could do this. = And older software, in combination with that hardware, could do this. As = long as the requirements don't change, it's not a problem, especially = not when _not_ connected to the Internet - yes, I'm quite aware that = _this_ is a significant problem in considering system security. >=20 > If the computer is not connected to any other computers and no person = ever has access to it, that=E2=80=99s fine. >=20 Here is a real example: I have an older machine running some older = version (I don't even care which one it is). It serves as a 3rd level = backup for my main machines. It is powered on about once a week (when I = remember) and it initiates a backup to it and then shuts itself off. It = only has a connection to an internal LAN. There is no internet = connection. I also have 2 first level backups on site, and a 2nd level = backup off-site. Interestingly enough, in running with this backup = architecture for over 10 years, I have never had to resort to any of = them. I also have solar power and battery backup so that when = commercial power goes off, nothing notices, not even the cheap alarm = clocks. Not to shabby for a home office environment. -- Doug